McCaskey, Poles, Warren and that search committee got it done!

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Ok.

Let's just say I understand no one has any reason to believe me on any of this. And I am ok with that. All I will say is, I know a guy.

That said, this goes back over a year. Here's everything in chronological order. Think of it as story time if you want, but this is what I have been told by someone who WOULD know (connected person, not "internet source"):


* Bears pursuit of Ben Johnson went back over a year ago. Poles and BJ were acquaintances, and Poles wanted to part with Matt Eberflus last season and bring in Ben, having seen BJ have success for 2 seasons in a row. George refused. BJ himself was interested in the Bears because at the time they had DJ Moore, Cole Kmet, and the 1st overall pick in the draft - BJ is a college football fan and loved watching Caleb Williams in college. Coaching him is THE driving factor as to why the Bears were Ben's top choice.

*While this was going on, Kevin Warren was working to remove as much of Trace Armstrong's influence from the Bears as he could. Trace has had an oversized influence on the Bears for DECADES now, and because of George's willingness to be attached to a former player, especially one that is willing to re-enforce George's bad habits of the McCaskey brand of meddling (Tea with Virgina, HC attends church with them on non-gameday Sundays, etc), that allowed Trace to have a lock on getting his clients into he organization. Poles being a Trace Armstrong client put him in Warren's crosshairs.

*However, what ended up basically saving Poles' bacon was he came clean to Kevin about his plans with pairing Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams, and also the headwinds Poles faced with executing this thanks to George refusing to fire Matt. This was indeed a year ago. Warren was intrigued, but basically told Poles his job was dependent on landing Ben. At the same time, Warren agreed to work with Poles on helping make this happen, as if it did, Warren saw this as a potential major win for selling the stadium and eventually the team.

*Using back channels, Ben agreed to wait a year. Its why last year he went back to Detroit (the rumor that Ben wanted Howell as QB was smoke from the Commanders to save the embarrassment of flying out to meet Ben before even securing his agreement to meet - he shot them down while they were still in the air).

*During this time, Warren started working on George, buttering him up to the idea of being more hands off and that a better coach would require big time money. George was open to the latter, but stuck in his ways on the former, insisting on the tea and church and other weird things the McCaskeys do.

*The end of season presser looked awful for the Bears, but the purpose was not for the fans - Warren was sending a public message to Poles. "This is your plan, and I will go along with it, but don't forget who is in charge and that your job is on the line to execute this." This is why Poles looked like a broken man in that presser.

*The horrible season and snatching defeat from the jaws of victory so many times broke George enough that he was willing by end of season to commit to paying whatever a top coach needed. However, George was still stuck on all the McCaskey meeting weirdness. George said it had never been an issue before or come up before, but IF it did, he'd be willing to hear out the coach and consider changing things. This led to Warren leaking and confirming some of these to social media and the internet - the purpose was 2-fold. To make it public, and to equip Ben with ammo for his eventual interview. Warren had a plan.

*At the interview, towards the end, BJ point blank asked George about "what he read on social media" about what the McCaskeys require, and if it was true, and if so, it was a deal-breaker. This FINALLY got George to relent. The stuff you hear reported about BJ wanting to know if the ownership would meddle is EXACTLY about this. The McCaskeys will leave Ben alone. Ben will report to Poles ONLY. This is how well-run NFL teams do it, and this is also what Warren wanted, as a dysfunctional front office will cause a decrease in value to the franchise.

*Expect Poles to get a contract extension matching BJ in years.

*Last note - Warren is NOT a nice guy. He's a politician and he is cut-throat, but knows how to play the game, including using leverage, misdirection, etc. He is VERY good at the political aspect of these jobs. Ultimately, the Bears will break ground on a stadium and sell the team, which will free Warren from the Bears. Expect him to be rewarded with a very high position in the main NFL offices for doing this. A successful Bears franchise (which is in one of the major markets) makes the whole NFL richer. These things are usually left hands off, but let's just say the league was tired of the Bears not being profitable due to ownership mishandling. There is precedent for the league getting "involved" from time to time - see what happened to Dan Snyder and Jon Gruden. They don't do it as often as you would think, but there are times when they DO get involved. And they will never disclose that.

*Side note - the League very much wants to get invovled with the Cowboys, but Jerry Jones is a very paranoid man with a lot of resources. They haven't found a convincing "in".
 
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I used AI to streamline MJY's post for those that want the reader's digest version, or do what you and skip this one too

  • Bears Pursuit of Ben Johnson:
    • Poles wanted to hire Johnson over a year ago, but George McCaskey refused.
    • Johnson was attracted to the Bears due to having DJ Moore, Cole Kmet, and the 1st overall pick (Caleb Williams).
  • Kevin Warren's Influence:
    • Warren sought to diminish Trace Armstrong's influence on the Bears.
    • Poles, as an Armstrong client, was a target for Warren.
  • Warren's Plan:
    • Warren saw hiring Johnson as a win for selling the stadium and team.
    • He told Poles his job depended on landing Johnson.
    • Johnson agreed to wait a year.
  • Manipulating George McCaskey:
    • Warren convinced George to be more hands-off and spend more money on a top coach.
    • Warren leaked information about McCaskey's "weird" requirements to the public.
  • Johnson's Interview:
    • Johnson directly questioned George about the McCaskey's interference.
    • George finally relented, agreeing to give Johnson autonomy.
  • Poles' Contract Extension:
    • Poles is expected to receive a contract extension matching Johnson's.
  • Warren's Motives:
    • Warren is a politician who played the game to benefit himself and the NFL.
    • He aims to sell the Bears and secure a high position in the NFL offices.
  • League Involvement:
    • The NFL has a history of intervening in team affairs, as seen with Dan Snyder and Jon Gruden.
    • The league desires to intervene with the Cowboys but hasn't found a way to do so.
 

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OMG.....look what you've done!!!!

Hey man - is what it is. Like I said - no one had to believe me (and probably doesn't).

In that case, its probably a good thing, particularly for who I happen to know. :smug2:
 

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I used AI to streamline MJY's post for those that want the reader's digest version, or do what you and skip this one too

  • Bears Pursuit of Ben Johnson:
    • Poles wanted to hire Johnson over a year ago, but George McCaskey refused.
    • Johnson was attracted to the Bears due to having DJ Moore, Cole Kmet, and the 1st overall pick (Caleb Williams).
  • Kevin Warren's Influence:
    • Warren sought to diminish Trace Armstrong's influence on the Bears.
    • Poles, as an Armstrong client, was a target for Warren.
  • Warren's Plan:
    • Warren saw hiring Johnson as a win for selling the stadium and team.
    • He told Poles his job depended on landing Johnson.
    • Johnson agreed to wait a year.
  • Manipulating George McCaskey:
    • Warren convinced George to be more hands-off and spend more money on a top coach.
    • Warren leaked information about McCaskey's "weird" requirements to the public.
  • Johnson's Interview:
    • Johnson directly questioned George about the McCaskey's interference.
    • George finally relented, agreeing to give Johnson autonomy.
  • Poles' Contract Extension:
    • Poles is expected to receive a contract extension matching Johnson's.
  • Warren's Motives:
    • Warren is a politician who played the game to benefit himself and the NFL.
    • He aims to sell the Bears and secure a high position in the NFL offices.
  • League Involvement:
    • The NFL has a history of intervening in team affairs, as seen with Dan Snyder and Jon Gruden.
    • The league desires to intervene with the Cowboys but hasn't found a way to do so.

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Warren is a total trainwreck. I don't really understand the MJY report of Warren accomplishing anything. He's "rid the Bears of Trace Armstrong's influence"....isn't that like the baseline of his job as team president? He allowed Ebeflus to remain as HC against the wishes of his GM, who wanted to hire Ben Johnson....and now the Bears hire Ben Johnson and we are supposed to applaud Warren? WTF is going on? You just wasted a year of Caleb's development with a lame duck HC, and Caleb got so beat up that he might be damaged goods.

And the funniest part is the comment of how the hiring of Ben Johnson will directly lead to the Bears getting a new stadium and the McCaskey's selling the franchise....yet Warren was OK with not hiring Johnson in 2024.

Until Warren becomes something more than an empty suit on a losing franchise, I don't envision him being hired by the NFL league office in any capacity.
 

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Warren is a total trainwreck. I don't really understand the MJY report of Warren accomplishing anything. He's "rid the Bears of Trace Armstrong's influence"....isn't that like the baseline of his job as team president? He allowed Ebeflus to remain as HC against the wishes of his GM, who wanted to hire Ben Johnson....and now the Bears hire Ben Johnson and we are supposed to applaud Warren? WTF is going on? You just wasted a year of Caleb's development with a lame duck HC, and Caleb got so beat up that he might be damaged goods.

And the funniest part is the comment of how the hiring of Ben Johnson will directly lead to the Bears getting a new stadium and the McCaskey's selling the franchise....yet Warren was OK with not hiring Johnson in 2024.

Until Warren becomes something more than an empty suit on a losing franchise, I don't envision him being hired by the NFL league office in any capacity.

Total meatball take.

You're right - you really don't understand how any of this works.
 

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Total meatball take.

You're right - you really don't understand how any of this works.
Then explain why I'm wrong. I'm willing to listen.

It's kind of funny.....the "non pursuit" of Harbaugh last year was pathetic, and now you are saying that Warren stopped the Bears from hiring Ben Johnson last year, too.....is he already the dumbest Bears president ever?
 

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Then explain why I'm wrong. I'm willing to listen.

It's kind of funny.....the "non pursuit" of Harbaugh last year was pathetic, and now you are saying that Warren stopped the Bears from hiring Ben Johnson last year, too.....is he already the dumbest Bears president ever?

See. Why would I bother to explain to someone who can't even read?

GEORGE stopped the Bears from hiring Johnson last year because he refused to fire EBERFLUS.
 

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See. Why would I bother to explain to someone who can't even read?

GEORGE stopped the Bears from hiring Johnson last year because he refused to fire EBERFLUS.
Wasn't Warren on the payroll last year? Shouldn't Warren have been able to convince George to fire Eberflus?
 

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Yes it was. Old White MBA men in the executive suite that would rather cut costs than listen to their engineers. All for making their stock holders and themselves money. Pass the buck to someone else once they get their golden parachute and leave.
Right and they used diversity as moral cover to do it. But you’re not getting that from a Netflix documentary, wonder why?
 

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anyway, there really is Nothing leFt for me to expound upon. i reaLize people will think i don't rEally have someone i know who is a part of the bears organization, and they would be eXactly right. Especially given my reputation. Call it what it is. but sometimes, you need to know how to read between the lines....

last i will say on this. :smug2:
 

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Wasn't Warren on the payroll last year? Shouldn't Warren have been able to convince George to fire Eberflus?

Owner is the owner. The McCaskeys only make money from the Bears and aren't independently wealthy like other owners. George ultimately has the final say. I don't think he says yes if a team sale wasn't looming in the future.
 

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Owner is the owner. The McCaskeys only make money from the Bears and aren't independently wealthy like other owners. George ultimately has the final say. I don't think he says yes if a team sale wasn't looming in the future.
That kind of absolves Warren from having any responsibility. And I don't see how the Bears franchise landscape has changed one iota from 2024 to 2025....its the exact same situation. The McCaskey's aren't suddenly poorer in 2025, the stadium 'situation' is the same, the franchise being sold is just a rumor. All I see is the Bears have continued to lose with Warren as team president, just like they did with Ted Phillips. Maybe things will turn around now that they hired an actual HC, but to think that Warren is on a trajectory to be something like the next NFL Commissioner is ridiculous. He hasn't accomplished anything in the NFL.
 

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That kind of absolves Warren from having any responsibility. And I don't see how the Bears franchise landscape has changed one iota from 2024 to 2025....its the exact same situation. The McCaskey's aren't suddenly poorer in 2025, the stadium 'situation' is the same, the franchise being sold is just a rumor. All I see is the Bears have continued to lose with Warren as team president, just like they did with Ted Phillips. Maybe things will turn around now that they hired an actual HC, but to think that Warren is on a trajectory to be something like the next NFL Commissioner is ridiculous. He hasn't accomplished anything in the NFL.

George is a VERY stubborn owner and very set in his ways. If he could be convinced by normal means, if any of the McCaskeys could really, the team would have not been where they have been for so long and an intervention would not have been needed.

A guy who could get on their good side yet slowly get them to come around is what was needed. Warren is that kind of political creature.

EDIT: More to the point, Warren is a buffer. He's there to get the McCaskeys to start taking a step back and allow the football operation to be the football operation, even if that means he's the one having tea with Virginia and going to church on Sundays with the McCaskeys.

He has a job to do and high ambitions, so he's willing to do it for the end result.
 

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George is a VERY stubborn owner and very set in his ways. If he could be convinced by normal means, if any of the McCaskeys could really, the team would have not been where they have been for so long and an intervention would not have been needed.

A guy who could get on their good side yet slowly get them to come around is what was needed. Warren is that kind of political creature.
Thats fine, but the bottom line is that nothing has improved with the franchise since Warren was hired. You keep saying that Warren is some 'agent of change', but I'm just seeing the same old Bears. The Johnson hire could be the start of something good, but until we see the results I think its premature to say that Warren has accomplished anything.
 

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Thats fine, but the bottom line is that nothing has improved with the franchise since Warren was hired. You keep saying that Warren is some 'agent of change', but I'm just seeing the same old Bears. The Johnson hire could be the start of something good, but until we see the results I think its premature to say that Warren has accomplished anything.

If I am being honest - that is completely fair.

But Ben Johnson is the first PUBLIC domino to fall.

The kind of changes Warren is making aren't things fans would normally notice, but they are things prospective buyers would find out.

Think about it - before the recent reports (leaked by the NFL themselves), how many people would realize just how much of an influence Trace Armstrong had over the Bears?

These things normally aren't known by the fans. But it was made public because there are some changes coming, and the league needed leverage. Warren is already working in Chicago. There's 2 other teams where they are also trying to fix things, one in New York, but that might take longer.

Ironically there is one more team that has this "issue", but because they are continually contending for titles, the league has no interest in interfering there - winning teams and legacies and dynasties make them money. So that team is allowed to do things unimpeded.
 

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Think about it - before the recent reports (leaked by the NFL themselves), how many people would realize just how much of an influence Trace Armstrong had over the Bears?

These things normally aren't known by the fans. But it was made public because there are some changes coming,
I think its terrible that Warren is so ineffective that the only way he can win a 'power struggle' with Trace Armstrong is by leaking info to the media. Good lord. Who is running the Bears? Do you understand what you are even saying? Its like you cheated at UNO in order to beat a bunch of kids.
 

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I think its terrible that Warren is so ineffective that the only way he can win a 'power struggle' with Trace Armstrong is by leaking info to the media. Good lord. Who is running the Bears?

You're just creating narratives for yourself though.

When you are in a struggle for power, all that matters is winning, and you use every effective tool at your disposal. And it wasn't Warren who leaked that to the media, by the way. But he was a beneficiary. Did you see my edit about how this also affects other teams as well.

The league took notice and is done playing games.
 

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