Mike Dunleavy Update

[clonetrooper264]

Yes, I think this has a lot to do with it. Thib's is stuck in limbo a little bit in between defense and offense. He hasn't figured out how to do both. I think he should start the adjustment by having a 3 pt shooter in at all times. Also, he should experiment with a heavy offensive lineup, imo, and coach the guys up defensively.

Once Dunn went down, the slump started cuz we lost that shooter in the starting lineup, and Thib's hasn't adjusted by playing Brooks, Niko, or McD in his place. I think one of these guys should be in the lineup at all times w/o Dunn. It's up to Thib's to adjust the lineup to make that happen, imo.

I agree. Shooting is a huge part of the NBA now so we need someone in there who can rely on to hit 3s. Honestly, that's only been Brooks and Dunleavy so far who have been consistent. Niko has been pretty streaky, but he's still a threat that the defense has to respect. Doug has been so bad defensively that I can see why Thibs has called him a work in progress. I'd like to see him out there just for offensive purposes, but I'll settle for more Brooks/Niko while Dunleavy is out.

 

[Bear Pride]

I agree. Shooting is a huge part of the NBA now so we need someone in there who can rely on to hit 3s. Honestly, that's only been Brooks and Dunleavy so far who have been consistent. Niko has been pretty streaky, but he's still a threat that the defense has to respect. Doug has been so bad defensively that I can see why Thibs has called him a work in progress. I'd like to see him out there just for offensive purposes, but I'll settle for more Brooks/Niko while Dunleavy is out.

Yeah, but put McD in and let him hang at the 3 pt line like Korver. I guarantee that will pull someone out of the paint. But do this with the starters, or not an all bench lineup I should say. Let the bigs set the screens, and let Jimmy and Rose drive, and dish to an open McD. I guarantee he will hit some shots. I believe he can't do it when he's given the proper chance.

 

[Diddy1122]

First, you believe what you want, but with all due respect, I'll believe what I want. I have been as big a supporter of the Bulls the past few season as anyone. Where do I start .... as far as McD and 25+ minutes, read my prior posts. I already stated I didn't expect him to play those type of minutes, so don't put words in my mouth. However, he should get some minutes, especially with the current shooting drought.

No one here has stated they expect McD to start, again, putting words in my mouth. However, I'd like to see him get some minutes with Rose. Rose needs a shooter in the game to dish the ball to. Everyone wants to blame Rose for being selfish, but Thib's can help him by playing him with McD or Niko a little.

Thib's seems to think that when Rose and Pau are in the game, he can stick 3 defensive guys in there with them and all's good. Guess what? You need guys that can shoot from the outside as well.

Watch tonight's game, when Rose and Pau play, Thib's should play either Brooks, Niko, or McD, but he doesn't. Instead, he'll play Kirk, Butler and Noah, or Kirk, Butler and Taj. We saw the resurgence in the Pheonix game when Brooks played all of Kirk's usual minutes.

This is exactly why Dunn is missed so much, cuz he would actually be a shooter that plays with these guys. But Thib's doesn't get it, imo. It's all about the combination of players, and Thib's isn't doing this correctly, and I wish people would stop making excuses for him. :dunno:

Once again, what shooting is McDermott going to provide? He shot 26% from the damn field when he was playing! But yes, by all means, let's throw him out there after surgery, and almost no practice time. Yea that seems legit to me.

I'm not making any excuses for Thibs at all. I've had issues with rotations all year, so actually I agree a bit on that point. Seriously though, and this isn't all you and I wasn't calling you out specifically in my response so there was no need for any kind of negative response, but I'm just getting tired of every friggin other day the "When is McD getting more minutes?" "Oh Thibs hates rookies so he won't play" stuff over and over and over. There are reasons why McD isn't playing, which I've stated ad nauseum until I'm blue in the face. But I guess we'll just leave it at agree to disagree.

Just remember that when this team has had its full starting lineup in tact, which has only been 15 games!, the record is 12-3.

 

[clonetrooper264]

Yeah, but put McD in and let him hang at the 3 pt line like Korver. I guarantee that will pull someone out of the paint. But do this with the starters, or not an all bench lineup I should say. Let the bigs set the screens, and let Jimmy and Rose drive, and dish to an open McD. I guarantee he will hit some shots. I believe he can't do it when he's given the proper chance.

I was saying earlier in the season that Doug played better with the starters. I'd have to go back and look at his preseason starts, but it makes a ton of sense for a knockdown shooter to play off the penetration of Rose and Butler and the post play of Gasol. That's probably a huge reason Dunleavy is as successful as he is.

 

[The Hawk]

I am not as concerned about McDermott and why he isn't playing at all as I am about why Hinrich IS PLAYING while Mirotic and McD sit. YOu would not get much of a peep from me if the Bulls had two other guys on the bench who prevented Hinrich's sorry ass from being on the court as long as it is. HE SUCKS and should not be playing.

The bottom line for me right now is this........... The Bulls need to make a trade for at least one and maybe two players if they want to contend reasonably this year. If they don't do it, then they should absolutely start playing Mirotic as a starter or at least the 6th man. Why? Because he is the 6th best over-all player on this team in my estimation and the better players need to play more than worse players. And I would also give McD some time also.

 

[The Hawk]

it doesn't matter, he's going to play. Get over it

never!!!!!!!

 

[The Hawk]

I do not know why any talk is going on about Mcdermott being a failure> There is absolutely NOTHING in evidence this season that he will be one. NOTHING. The kid has hardly played.

He also was drafted by a pretty deep team with all of their bigs. I said when the whole shit went down that they were light in back-court and heavy in front court. This is absolutely the fact of this team and McD just doesn't fit a spot. Perhaps if he didn't get hurt when he did, he would have gotten more PT filling Dunleavy's spot but that obviously didn't happen.

 

[clonetrooper264]

The bottom line for me right now is this........... The Bulls need to make a trade for at least one and maybe two players if they want to contend reasonably this year. If they don't do it, then they should absolutely start playing Mirotic as a starter or at least the 6th man. Why? Because he is the 6th best over-all player on this team in my estimation and the better players need to play more than worse players. And I would also give McD some time also.

Mirotic ain't better than Taj

 

[Bear Pride]

Once again, what shooting is McDermott going to provide? He shot 26% from the damn field when he was playing! But yes, by all means, let's throw him out there after surgery, and almost no practice time. Yea that seems legit to me.

I'm not making any excuses for Thibs at all. I've had issues with rotations all year, so actually I agree a bit on that point. Seriously though, and this isn't all you and I wasn't calling you out specifically in my response so there was no need for any kind of negative response, but I'm just getting tired of every friggin other day the "When is McD getting more minutes?" "Oh Thibs hates rookies so he won't play" stuff over and over and over. There are reasons why McD isn't playing, which I've stated ad nauseum until I'm blue in the face. But I guess we'll just leave it at agree to disagree.

Just remember that when this team has had its full starting lineup in tact, which has only been 15 games!, the record is 12-3.

I'm not looking to get in a bitchfest either. However, you say "when is McD gonna get MORE minutes", and I'm saying "when is McD gonna get SOME minutes"? McD had his surgery awhile ago, and was cleared to play awhile ago, and he still can't get ANY minutes.

Do you really think McD is gonna shoot 26% from 3? Yeah, we'll agree to disagree then.

 

[Axl Rose]

if McDermott isn't ready to go its up to our great front office to get some type of deal done

they are the ones that neglected the wing and thought it would be ok to to rely on a bench player as a starter, Hinrich, a rookie, and a guy that showed no signs of being a capable rotational player his first year

 

[clonetrooper264]

and a guy that showed no signs of being a capable rotational his first year

You mean McDermott? He looked plenty able to contribute initially.

 

[Axl Rose]

You mean McDermott? He looked plenty able to contribute initially.

no im talking about Snell

 

[clonetrooper264]

no im talking about Snell

lol well he's at least capable now so :shrug:

 

[Axl Rose]

lol well he's at least capable now so :shrug:

hes better than he has been but hes still not a guy i would rely on

 

[Naptastic]

no im talking about Snell

Maybe they could trade him for a washing machine? Or a bag if peanuts?

 

[Scoot26]

 

[MassHavoc]

I'm not saying it's a direct parallel in the case of Doug and Snell, but Jimmy is now in his 4th year and through most of last year and even into this year, a lot of people were ready to write him off and ship him away. I think that the Bulls just use longer term developmental plans to work guys into the system instead of trying to fit a system to the guys. Just talking out my ass. I'm not ready to ship any of them anywhere.

 

[clonetrooper264]

I'm not saying it's a direct parallel in the case of Doug and Snell, but Jimmy is now in his 4th year and through most of last year and even into this year, a lot of people were ready to write him off and ship him away. I think that the Bulls just use longer term developmental plans to work guys into the system instead of trying to fit a system to the guys. Just talking out my ass. I'm not ready to ship any of them anywhere.

I think you speak the truth

 

[Bear Pride]

I'm not saying it's a direct parallel in the case of Doug and Snell, but Jimmy is now in his 4th year and through most of last year and even into this year, a lot of people were ready to write him off and ship him away. I think that the Bulls just use longer term developmental plans to work guys into the system instead of trying to fit a system to the guys. Just talking out my ass. I'm not ready to ship any of them anywhere.

Exactly, I agree, and to take it one step further, I don't see why Thib's can't expedite the development process a little bit either. I've played a lot of ball, and you need game time to develop.

I understand that young guys may not practice great right away to make Thib's want to play them, but I just think a good coach finds a way to 'throw them into the fire' for, at least, a few minutes.

This can only help them in the long term. It also keeps the veterans fresh. I just don't see what's wrong with this approach. :dunno:

 

[ChiSoxCity]

Once again, what shooting is McDermott going to provide? He shot 26% from the damn field when he was playing! But yes, by all means, let's throw him out there after surgery, and almost no practice time. Yea that seems legit to me.

I'm not making any excuses for Thibs at all. I've had issues with rotations all year, so actually I agree a bit on that point. Seriously though, and this isn't all you and I wasn't calling you out specifically in my response so there was no need for any kind of negative response, but I'm just getting tired of every friggin other day the "When is McD getting more minutes?" "Oh Thibs hates rookies so he won't play" stuff over and over and over. There are reasons why McD isn't playing, which I've stated ad nauseum until I'm blue in the face. But I guess we'll just leave it at agree to disagree.

Just remember that when this team has had its full starting lineup in tact, which has only been 15 games!, the record is 12-3.

Didn't you know, man? McBuckets is our "magical unicorn.". He was a member of the over 30 Dream Team down at the local YMCA before the Bulls drafted him. He is the "chosen" one. I love watching him get his own rebounds from his failed 3-pters. Larry Bird never did that![emoji1]


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