Mike Glennon Expected To Land 14-15 Mil Per Season

[dabears70]

Ok Nostradamus.

I wasn't trying to be Nostradamus even though that would be a cool gig. I'm saying that every year QB's get drafted in the 1st round that end up being busts and many many more in the rest of drafts that end up being busts but i obviously don't know which ones that will be like some seem to think they do around here...lol

Let me know if you hear anything about any openings for that Nostrdamus gig though.

 

[FirstTimer]

I wasn't trying to be Nostradamus even though that would be a cool gig. I'm saying that every year QB's get drafted in the 1st round that end up being busts and many many more in the rest of drafts that end up being busts but i obviously don't know which ones that will be like some seem to think they do around here...lol

Let me know if you hear anything about any openings for that Nostrdamus gig though.

Wow. Thanks for this incredibly new and interesting information.

 

[dabears70]

No, it isn't at all. Never have I claimed to "know" anything. My position has always been acknowledging that we don't know, but accepting that we must try. Bears70's stance seems to be "Since we don't know, we should avoid failing by not trying at all". Or at least, that's what he appears to have said, unless he wants to offer clarification.

Ohhh man, this is getting really really boring. I'm the one that's ALWAYS saying that nobody on here KNOWS anything about what any of these kids will be in the NFL. If GM's that have been around this game in some way basically their whole lives can't always get it right then how the hell is anyone on a message board gonna be right about every kid even though we have certain people on here that like to act like they're smarter than R.Pace or any GM which is hilarious. There is no exact science to getting this right especially with QB's.

So what i APPEAR to be saying, as you put it, is that we shouldn't even try to draft any QB's which is also hilarious since i've made my stance more than clear many times on here that if Pace truly believes in one of these kids then he should draft him but if he doesn't then he shouldn't which sounds real clear to me but maybe you need to read things more than once for it to be clear for you. What you think or how you make it sound is that Pace absolutely has to draft a QB or he isn't trying. I don't want him to draft a QB just to make the fans happy if he doesn't believe in whatever QB's are sitting there when we're on the clock when that draft pick can be a day one starter at one of our many other positions of need.

All this doesn't matter anyway cause it's really starting to look like we'll be drafting a QB somewhere in this draft so i just hope if he does that we hit the lottery with whoever he drafts and we have our franchise QB for the next 10-15 years.

 

[dabears70]

Yes he did. That segment of conversation started with him responding to Baba ....





Again, if that comment isn't him assuming that any QB Pace might draft at #3 is going to fail to be a starter in the NFL, then clearly I can't understand English. Perhaps if he were to clarify what he meant by that, it may help? Because I'm just reading what he said.

If i really gave a shit i could go find multiple posts you've assumed many things on here. I don't know if you've noticed but there's a hell of a lot of assuming going on on this board with you being one of them. Give it a break man cause you're putting way to much of your time in something i said just because you don't like being disagreed with.

 

[nc0gnet0]

Lol....how can anyone say keeping cutler is a good idea? He's overstayed his welcome by at least 3 seasons. If not more. He stunk up the place last year. The fan base and some of his own teammates want him gone. He's one of the worst options, really. I'd prefer hoyer or glennon over rolling cutler out there again.

Nobody is saying Cutler is a good idea. What they are saying is he is a better option than Glennon. Truth is, both suck, Glennon just sucks worse.

 

[nc0gnet0]

So the #3 overall pick isn't in one of the top 3 rounds? Not really following what you are saying. Did you mean to say 'draft a QB in one of the top 3 rounds, but not round #1?" If so, thats kind of a big difference than what you actually said.

Actually he went on to say that he preferred to draft one in the first.

Welcome to the Remy zone.

 

[Enasic]

Nobody is saying Cutler is a good idea. What they are saying is he is a better option than Glennon. Truth is, both suck, Glennon just sucks worse.

You sure about that?

 

[nc0gnet0]

You sure about that?

When you factor in the $, yup, I am.

 

[bearmick]

you can't rebuild the right way when you're throwing away early picks on QB's that won't be starting QB's in the NFL.

.... followed by ....

I'm the one that's ALWAYS saying that nobody on here KNOWS anything about what any of these kids will be in the NFL.

:aj:

Give it a break man cause you're putting way to much of your time in something i said just because you don't like being disagreed with.

I didn't realize you disagreed with me. You made a wild assumption ("throwing away early picks on QB's that won't be starting QB's in the NFL") which I simply asked you to clarify.

What you think or how you make it sound is that Pace absolutely has to draft a QB or he isn't trying. I don't want him to draft a QB just to make the fans happy if he doesn't believe in whatever QB's are sitting there

Neither do I, which is why I've never, ever said "Pace absolutely has to draft a QB or he isn't trying". I have consistently said if he feels any of them have franchise potential, take a swing. I have also said if fails to make any meaningful attempt to get a franchise QB in three straight drafts, questions should be asked about his ability to identify and acquire talent at the most important position, which is the single most important part of his job.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Glennon had a better rookie year than Wentz. How the hell do people think he doesn't deserve another shot?

That depends on what stats you use. But yeah, he did have better stats in many categories. So, fair point.

 

[dabears70]

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:aj:





I didn't realize you disagreed with me. You made a wild assumption ("throwing away early picks on QB's that won't be starting QB's in the NFL") which I simply asked you to clarify.



Neither do I, which is why I've never, ever said "Pace absolutely has to draft a QB or he isn't trying". I have consistently said if he feels any of them have franchise potential, take a swing. I have also said if fails to make any meaningful attempt to get a franchise QB in three straight drafts, questions should be asked about his ability to identify and acquire talent at the most important position, which is the single most important part of his job.

Wow, i knew Rory and firsttimer are a little slow and didn't have much common sense but i didn't think you were on par with them...lol

 

[bearmick]

Wow, i knew Rory and firsttimer are a little slow and didn't have much common sense but i didn't think you were on par with them...lol

You made a blatant contradiction which I asked you to clarify. Clearly you aren't able to do so, and are resorting to ad hominem attacks in frustration.

 

[remydat]

So the #3 overall pick isn't in one of the top 3 rounds? Not really following what you are saying. Did you mean to say 'draft a QB in one of the top 3 rounds, but not round #1?" If so, thats kind of a big difference than what you actually said.

My point is you ignored that I allowed for the possibility that Pace doesn't take a QB at 3 and pretended like I only said take a QB at 3 plus add Glennon.

Do you conceptually understand why Glennon and a 2nd or 3rd QB makes sense?

As for a scenario where Glennon and a 1st round QB might make sense see below which I'm sure you read.

I wouldn't go that far. Suppose for example Pace has Trubisky as a QB worthy of the 3 pick but has late first or 2nd round grades on Watson, Kizer and everyone else.

Well in that instance, having Glennon in the fold means he doesn't have to reach for Watson, Kizer or someone else if Trubisky gets taken before his pick.

Point being most of us consider Watson/Kizer/Trubisky as all being graded similar but if Pace only has a top grade on one of the 3 then Glennon would represent a hedge in the event the one QB he wants at 3 ends up getting taken before the Bears pick. If instead that QB is available then **** it you take the dude and call it a day.

So forgive if I think you fully grasp that my statement has several layers to it and all you did was take the one scenario you thought was most easily attacked. There are several scenarios inherent in the statement sign Glennon and take a QB in one of the first 3 rounds with varying degrees of acceptability. If the plan is draft a QB in the 3rd then signing Glennon is more acceptable than if it's a 2nd round QB or a 1st round QB. I would think that fact obvious.

 

[remydat]

Actually he went on to say that he preferred to draft one in the first.

Welcome to the Remy zone.

Umm because my preference is to just draft Watson sans Glennon. I simply can conceptually understand why Pace may want to sign Glennon and draft a QB in one of the top 3 rounds because my personal preference isn't the only solution to the QB puzzle. There are all sorts of different options and I'm not stupid enough to pretend like my solution is the only answer.

You seem to be confused by this because you probably are that stupid.

 

[Ares]

that, kyle boller or byron leftwich... grossman was the best choice of that group...

Don't forget we also got Michael Haynes.... MICHAEL FUCKING HAYNES!

 

[remydat]

Kind of Special person all around. Not sure how often you gamble, but its kind of dumb to hedge your bets with an amount that greatly exceeds what you are planning on betting. Glennon will most likely get a bigger contract than a rookie QB, and Glennon will be a greater financial constraint to the rebuild than Cutler or Hoyer. You aren't really 'hedging' anything, you are just half-assing a problem and throwing money at it.

Having Glennon 'in the fold' should have no impact on whether or not Pace 'reaches' for a QB at #3. Pace shouldn't 'reach' for anyone at #3, regardless of Glennon. I wouldn't feel more optimistic/pessimistic about the Bears draft because of Glennon. He is a non-factor.

Conversely, signing Glennon and drafting a QB in round #3 is saying that Glennon is your QB. There is no 'hedging'. That is your proactive move.

And, again, did you mean to say 'draft a QB in one of the top 3 rounds, but not round #1?" If so, thats kind of a big difference than what you actually said.

The gamble is not the money. The gamble is on whether the QB turns out to be good or not. Glennon and a QB in the first round means you have two QBs that potentially can be the solution to your QB problem rather than just 1.

2nd, I don't think Glennon will be a financial constraint because I predicated what I said based on being able to sign him to a reasonable contract that one can get out of after 2 years. If he requires some significant financial guarantee beyond that then I wouldn't be in favor but right now it's just pure speculation regarding what he is going to get.

3rd, with Garrett gone, I don't really have any of the remaining prospects as guys I have to have instead of a QB. So yes for me Glennon represents a hedge because I don't view Allen and his fucked up shoulders, A S in a draft deep at S, or any of the other edge rushers as guys I absolutely would take instead of a QB. So I think whether I take them or a QB at 3 will be largely dependent on who that QB is at 3. People get desperate all the time. Good for you that you wouldn't get desperate but I have no clue what Pace and Fox would do given job security. If Fox is running the show, having Glennon most certainly could make him feel less desperate to reach. Or are you saying you are convinced that Fox and Pace will alway make the right decision and never reach?

Signing Flynn and drafting Wilson in the 3rd could have been saying Flynn is your QB but in the end, it turned out Wilson was your QB. Drafting RG3 in the first and then Cousins said RG3 was your QB but it turned out Cousins was your QB. So I could give two fucks what it says. What I am suggesting is having 2 QBs that you are gambling could turn out to be good QBs is better than having 1 when the difference here is simply money that as I said was not suggesting would be guaranteed beyond 2 years.

 

[Warden of the Northeast]

The Bucs wanted to make him the highest paid backup but he declined because he wants to start lol. Now we're going to be stuck with the scrub.

 

[nc0gnet0]

Umm because my preference is to just draft Watson sans Glennon. I simply can conceptually understand why Pace may want to sign Glennon and draft a QB in one of the top 3 rounds because my personal preference isn't the only solution to the QB puzzle. There are all sorts of different options and I'm not stupid enough to pretend like my solution is the only answer.

You seem to be confused by this because you probably are that stupid.

You might be right, as it is a proven fact one loses IQ points every time they read one of your posts, and you never shut up.

 

[remydat]

Stuck in the Remy vortex. If you sign Glennon and pick a QB at #3 overall, and Glennon ends up being the solution to the QB problem, that means you've blown your #3 overall pick. You would have been better off signing Glennon and using the #3 pick on a different position. Refer to my Post #130:.

Yes if I had a crystal ball and could predict this future then I would sign Glennon and draft someone at a different position at 3. As it stands neither of us has such a crystal ball so the reason why someone might choose this option is because they don't know and so they prefer having 2 chances to get the QB position right instead of just one. Hoyer and Cutler are not options in getting the QB position right IMO. We've seen enough of them over a decade or so to be reasonably certain of that.

Lets say that happens. You sign Glennon and you draft a QB at #3....aren't Glennon's days here immediately numbered? If not, doesn't that send a terrible signal about your organization? In your scenario, how are things supposed to play out? Glennon starts the first year, the #3 pick gets some time the 2nd year, and then what? Do you continue playing both guys? Do you actually conclude that Glennon is 'better' and look for ways to dump the #3 pick? To me, what you are proposing is the typical "Bears move" in that its the worst of both worlds....lets hire a GM, but force this new coach on him...lets franchise Alshon, but have no intention of signing him.

To me, if you are going to draft a QB #3, then Glennon's presence becomes a nuisance and is completely unnecessary. If you are going to sign Glennon to be your starter for the next couple years, then use that #3 pick on a guy like Myles Garrett or some other non-QB stud. I don't understand what you gain by signing Glennon and then drafting a QB.

No his days are not immediately numbered because refer to 1 above. Said draft pick may suck balls just like RG3 sucked balls and Cousins is still in Washington. In my scenario it plays out that the best QB starts. I presume that may be Glennon until the rookie is ready but who knows. Maybe the rookie beats out Glennon or maybe the rookie doesn't pan out. Or maybe they both suck. There are any number of ways it can play it. What did it say about the Seahawks organization that they signed Flynn and drafted Wilson? I think it said they were smart and in the long run they ended up with a Super Bowl. In terms of percent of salary cap, the Flynn deal had a value that was higher than what Glennon is rumored to receive and it was a 3 year deal that didn't destroy the Seahawks so your logic makes no sense here.

OK, so why/how does Glennon have any affect on the Bears' draft strategy and/or what they do with the QB position?

No, I'm saying that FoxPace will reach or not reach regardless of Glennon and his alleged 2-year deal.

And I think you are wrong. I think they would have a greater chance of reaching if they went into the draft with Connor Shaw and Hoyer because I think Glennon has more upside to be a good QB than Hoyer. In the end, this is unknowable by either of us so great you stick to your opinion and I'll stick to mine. I think Glennon provides more comfort because I think he has more upside than Hoyer and Cutler.

OK...but if its sheer numbers, then Hoyer/Cutler would be better options than Glennon. If its sheer numbers, then your argument would make the most 'sense' if you are really pushing for the Bears to sign Glennon and draft a QB at #3...but you aren't. You are talking about 'hedging' and 'reaching' and so forth. No part of your 'plan' makes any sense. The only way things would 'work out' is if a QB the Bears coveted fell to the 2nd round...and then we'd be back to Post #130 except now you only spent a 2nd round pick on a QB instead of the #3 overall pick, but that in itself had absolutely nothing to do with Glennon.

No it's not sheer numbers. Hoyer isn't a good option because he's a journeyman with no real upside. Cutler is not an option because he's cancer to the Bears and he has never been able to get a 2:1 TD to Int ratio. Glennon got that in his rookie year. I think he has a chance to be better than both hence why he is a better option because he has the ability to make all the throws in a way Hoyer was never capable of and he has some ability to avoid stupid boneheaded interceptions as Cutler was prone too.

 

[remydat]

You might be right, as it is a proven fact one loses IQ points every time they read one of your posts, and you never shut up.

If you become dumber because you read what you consider a dumb post then that sounds like a mental problem on your part. You should probably get that checked out as it sounds awful that your IQ is so dependent on others. Then again, that would also explain a lot about your inability to formulate a convincing argument.

By contrast, I read dumb shit all the time but I possess the mental faculties to not allow it to impact my own IQ. Case in point, your response above. After reading that idiotic attempt an an insult, I feel no dumber because my brain can get rid of waste which I will do in 3. 2. 1. . . Yep it's gone.