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Nothing I can add; this about says it all...
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Taking one at 3 doesn't magically make him have talent. If Pace feels that there is a franchise type qb at 3 then by all means i hope he takes him.
I just don't think any of these qb's will be franchise guys, therefore, i would hate to see the number 3 pick wasted.
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You identify the one or two that you wish to target and draft accordingly. If that means over drafting, then so be it. You don't pass on your guy because you think he is closer to a mid/late first round pick as opposed to a top 5 pick. If you want to get cute, I suppose you could trade down, but then you run the risk at both losing your guy and failing to grab a top 5 talent.
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What if Pace doesn't like any of them? Like a lot of other people. Should he just take the one he hates least?
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If the Glennon rumors are true and Pace is seriously looking at him then it should really tell us all we really need to know about this QB class. If he feels that a qb he likes will be in the draft then why not just keep Hoyer?
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You might get away with that logic for one NFL draft, but when you start to string three together, a pattern is forming. Granted, it's speculation at this point, but if they sign Glennon at 14-15 mil, I doubt they are taking a QB in the first two rounds. That brings us back to the dumpster diving for a QB scenario. I find it hard to believe that Pace and Co, out of this years QB class, don't think any of them are better options then Mike fucking Glennon, a third round pick 4 years ago, that has thrown a sum total of 11 pass's in the last two years.
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Im not excited about the thought of Glennon at all. I also haven't watched him play. He played as a rookie and maybe a couple games after that. The only people that really know anything about him are NFL people. None of us jackasses know anything about him. We just see the bad and refuse to wait and see.
As for passing on qb in the past. For one it's in the past. Im over it. For two, we had Cutler locked in till this year because of Emery and we had to many needs to take one of the top qb's. We could have taken some of the scrubs that everyone bitches about taking i suppose.
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There are plenty of "NFL people" scratching their heads over this deal (if true), it's not just us "know nothing" fans.
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Just squeeze his ear.
Just squeeze his ear.
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This only makes sense then if the Bears end up signing him for $9-11 million.
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Here are the QB's Pace has passed on
2015-
Rd 3 pick 67 Garrett Grayson. The third qb taken wasnt until rd 3. Hmmmm. Shoulda taken him at 7. Am i right?
Rd 3 pick 89 Sean Mannion We were guarenteed to not miss out on him at 7
Rd 4 pick 103 Bryce Petty This was before our fourth. Should have just taken him at 7
Rd 7 pick 250 Trevor Siemian Someone fire Pace. If taken at 7 he would have been a first round talent
2016-
Rd 1 pick 26 Paxton Lynch
Rd 2 pick 51 Christian Hackenberg
Rd 3 pick 91 Jacoby Brissett
Rd 3 pick 93 Cody Kessler
Rd 4 pick 100 Connor Cook
Rd 4 pick 135 Dak Prescott
Rd 4 pick 139 Cardale Jones
Im stopping there. So Pace has passed on 1 guy drafted in the first, 1 guy drafted in the 2nd, 4 third rounders, and etc.
FIRE HIS ASS!!!
2015-
Rd 3 pick 67 Garrett Grayson. The third qb taken wasnt until rd 3. Hmmmm. Shoulda taken him at 7. Am i right?
Rd 3 pick 89 Sean Mannion We were guarenteed to not miss out on him at 7
Rd 4 pick 103 Bryce Petty This was before our fourth. Should have just taken him at 7
Rd 7 pick 250 Trevor Siemian Someone fire Pace. If taken at 7 he would have been a first round talent
2016-
Rd 1 pick 26 Paxton Lynch
Rd 2 pick 51 Christian Hackenberg
Rd 3 pick 91 Jacoby Brissett
Rd 3 pick 93 Cody Kessler
Rd 4 pick 100 Connor Cook
Rd 4 pick 135 Dak Prescott
Rd 4 pick 139 Cardale Jones
Im stopping there. So Pace has passed on 1 guy drafted in the first, 1 guy drafted in the 2nd, 4 third rounders, and etc.
FIRE HIS ASS!!!
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False: FloridaMike has always been the #1 poster on this board. I'll keep up my good work, but that's only because it's all I know how to do.
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Who are these NFL people? Not that i doubt it but who are they?
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For starters, everyone that was interested in Glennon and bowed out due the contract demands, but before I go any further, maybe I should ask your definition of "nfl people". Would this include people in the Media that report on the nfl?
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What is the possibility that the Bears put out this idea of $14-15 million to drive out interest from other teams that do not have the cap space the Bears do, the Bears then wait until other QB needed teams make their moves, and then the Bears sign Glennon for less? Say $10-12 million?
Or is this a NORAD was told to stand down on 9-11 way of thinking?
Or is this a NORAD was told to stand down on 9-11 way of thinking?
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From what I've read, the Jets have been interested with Glennon but don't have that much cap room. I'm sure other teams like the Bills or 49ers may have had some interest as well.
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Not the ones who say "Pace is bidding against himself" to get clicks.
If all is true, what teams would actually show their hand before its all said and done? Is it just the contract? Is it that Glennon wants to be here? Does Pace just have a hard on for him? Who knows, it could be a hundred things.
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Glennon is just another spin at the QB wheel
I understand why everyone is getting all miffed about Glennon, he's very unexciting and doesn't appear to have enough experience to warrant the $15 million per year.
But if you look at QB salaries in the NFL and if he only signs for 2-3 years you could see why this could end up being a small risk.
IF he signs for $15 per year it currently puts him as the 23rd highest paid QB. Next year he will likely be the 25th highest paid qb and year 3 possibly near the bottom of NFL starters.
Two scenarios could pan out here:
1. Glennon signs and we draft a qb. Glennon plays very well and by the end of year two we start hearing about how he wants to make over $20 million a year for his next contract. At this point our drafted qb has had two years to sit and be evaluated by the Bears and the rest of the NFL. At this point the Bears can either trade Glennon for multiple first round picks or trade the drafted qb for some picks if he has value.
2. Glennon signs and we draft a qb and Glennon is either average or worse than average. At this point the only thing we lost was cap money on a bad qb. Considering that 25 other NFL teams are hampered by high salaried allotted to qbs it doesn't put us in a position cap wise that is different from the majority of NFL teams. At this point we start giving the draft pick some games to see if he is the answer, and we are stuck with an expensive backup and a cheap starter in the drafted QB.
Signing Glennon is very low risk with potential high reward (I am not claiming he will be good, I am saying it is in the realm of possible). It doesn't prevent us from signing AJ, or a CB or a safety. There is enough cap room to do all of that. All it is, is an extra spn at the QB wheel without having to spend a very valulable draft pick on it to find out.
I understand why everyone is getting all miffed about Glennon, he's very unexciting and doesn't appear to have enough experience to warrant the $15 million per year.
But if you look at QB salaries in the NFL and if he only signs for 2-3 years you could see why this could end up being a small risk.
IF he signs for $15 per year it currently puts him as the 23rd highest paid QB. Next year he will likely be the 25th highest paid qb and year 3 possibly near the bottom of NFL starters.
Two scenarios could pan out here:
1. Glennon signs and we draft a qb. Glennon plays very well and by the end of year two we start hearing about how he wants to make over $20 million a year for his next contract. At this point our drafted qb has had two years to sit and be evaluated by the Bears and the rest of the NFL. At this point the Bears can either trade Glennon for multiple first round picks or trade the drafted qb for some picks if he has value.
2. Glennon signs and we draft a qb and Glennon is either average or worse than average. At this point the only thing we lost was cap money on a bad qb. Considering that 25 other NFL teams are hampered by high salaried allotted to qbs it doesn't put us in a position cap wise that is different from the majority of NFL teams. At this point we start giving the draft pick some games to see if he is the answer, and we are stuck with an expensive backup and a cheap starter in the drafted QB.
Signing Glennon is very low risk with potential high reward (I am not claiming he will be good, I am saying it is in the realm of possible). It doesn't prevent us from signing AJ, or a CB or a safety. There is enough cap room to do all of that. All it is, is an extra spn at the QB wheel without having to spend a very valulable draft pick on it to find out.
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Hey Rask, I edited your post. I think it's more impactful.
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We need a Glennon subforum.