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Recognition, confidence (boosted by those around you), fly to the ball.
Recognition, confidence (boosted by those around you), fly to the ball.
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It wasnt me calling Dent a one trick pony, it was his teammates
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Dent a one trick pony? Holy shit, now I've seen it all.
Not only did he rush the passer better than anyone in the history of the Chicago Bears, he also was stout against the run, contrary to what Ommy said and he dropped into coverage too. He was a force that Ryan could move around and do stuff with. Look at the turnovers he created versus Hampton. They are not even close. I loved Hampton and don't disregard his role, but to me, Dent was the most important player on that line. He was always being double teamed and accounted for.
Not only did he rush the passer better than anyone in the history of the Chicago Bears, he also was stout against the run, contrary to what Ommy said and he dropped into coverage too. He was a force that Ryan could move around and do stuff with. Look at the turnovers he created versus Hampton. They are not even close. I loved Hampton and don't disregard his role, but to me, Dent was the most important player on that line. He was always being double teamed and accounted for.
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You people are totally amazing. The other players on the Bears gave Dent the nickname "Colonel" after KFC and their slogan that "he only does one thing", meaning he was only interested in pass rushing. They gave him the nickname not me.
But you think you know more than the players and First Timers thinks he knows more than Buddy Ryan. This is why people cant have reasonable discussion on forums anymore.
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His 8 INTS shows he did more than rush the passer. He also played the run quite well. But imagine though, the best pass rusher in team history wanted to rush the passer first and foremost. Crazy. I wonder if guys like Julius Peppers and Dwight Freeney preferred to rush the passer? I bet WRs prefer to catch passes versus blocking.
I'm waiting now for people to tell me that Dent's much better turnover production means nothing.
This much I know, we'd be fortunate to be having a discussion like this over 2 Bears in the future. Seeing another HOF player come from the Bears would be a miracle about now. The '85 team was a once in a lifetime occurrence.
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Or how often players and coaches evaluations and opinions don't align with reality...like Dent's own perceptions of Doug Flutie and the 1986 Bears.....etc
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So, it is a lot like arguing here on this forum?
Edit: Thread makes me sad. Sad that we are discussing amazing players on an amazing team and then I have to look at this current team and roster... bah.
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They were both great players. I thought Hampton was the more complete player because he was also great against the run.
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It depends on how you want to define the top players. If you're looking at integral to the team, then it would be:
1. Hampton - Played DE and DT, collapsed pockets, broke up blocking schemes, and caused general havoc that let him and others make highlight reel plays.
2. Singletary - QB of the defense, read plays, lined people up, and did his job own well.
3. Dent - Provided consistent QB pressure to allow DBs to make plays.
4. Marshall - Playmaker, period. He could do it all: cover, sack, tackle, and create turnovers.
5. Duerson - Played the 46 position that made running on the team impossible.
In terms of pure talent...
1. Marshall - Incredible range and recovery speed. Excellent tackling, sticky coverage, pass rush ability, and excellent instincts. Always around the ball. I believe that if he stayed with the Bears in the scheme he thrived in, he'd be up for HOF consideration.
2. Dent - Amazing footwork for man his size. Raw coming out of college, but with his speed and reach, he made it look too easy at times. Even though people rip on his run D, I remember a play he had against the Rams where he launched himself like a missle over a guy trying to go low on him and nail Cleveland Gary in the backfield.
3. Hampton - Versatility, great moves, strength to collapse pockets, excellent hands, and a smart player to boot.
4. Frazier - For a while, one of the best cover corners out there. But, I didn't consider him integral because the pass rush that year was so excellent, the CBs rarely ever had to cover anyone for long.
5. Singletary - Great instincts and ability to read plays. Solid tackler, above average range and ability to be in the right place.
1. Hampton - Played DE and DT, collapsed pockets, broke up blocking schemes, and caused general havoc that let him and others make highlight reel plays.
2. Singletary - QB of the defense, read plays, lined people up, and did his job own well.
3. Dent - Provided consistent QB pressure to allow DBs to make plays.
4. Marshall - Playmaker, period. He could do it all: cover, sack, tackle, and create turnovers.
5. Duerson - Played the 46 position that made running on the team impossible.
In terms of pure talent...
1. Marshall - Incredible range and recovery speed. Excellent tackling, sticky coverage, pass rush ability, and excellent instincts. Always around the ball. I believe that if he stayed with the Bears in the scheme he thrived in, he'd be up for HOF consideration.
2. Dent - Amazing footwork for man his size. Raw coming out of college, but with his speed and reach, he made it look too easy at times. Even though people rip on his run D, I remember a play he had against the Rams where he launched himself like a missle over a guy trying to go low on him and nail Cleveland Gary in the backfield.
3. Hampton - Versatility, great moves, strength to collapse pockets, excellent hands, and a smart player to boot.
4. Frazier - For a while, one of the best cover corners out there. But, I didn't consider him integral because the pass rush that year was so excellent, the CBs rarely ever had to cover anyone for long.
5. Singletary - Great instincts and ability to read plays. Solid tackler, above average range and ability to be in the right place.
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Another thing that made those guys great was the hard-hitting. Back then teams feared us ( i.e. Qb's & wr's) . The fear gave us a big edge vs. opponents. In today's game if ya accidentally touch a guys helmet with ur's, it's a 15 yd. penalty.
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Yeah. The guy who Hampton reminded me of was Howie Young with the Raiders. No one offensive lineman could handle Young either. Hampton was an amazing lineman.
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