Mike Smith Huge Dive

[PatrickShart]

I was sitting pretty close to the "hit". In full speed...to the refs defense....it was a shoulder to the goalies head - and looked like a head shot.



Refs don't get the replays/etc. Full speed, game action, told to protect head shots.....I honestly understand the 5min major. I didn't like the game misconduct which I think calls for "intent" or deliberate shot.



I would be stunned if there was a suspension....but then again, I was stunned Weber played game 2....

 

[Ton]

Did you see the replay pmxc? It looked like Shaw may have also clipped his head on Smiths head too (not as much as his shoulder got him), I think the reason he caught Smith with part of his shoulder was because he scrunched up. Regardless, I agree, at first it probably looked like a head shot but it most certainly was not intentional. I think two minutes would have been more appropriate and probably would have been two minutes if not for Smiths heroic Oscar performance.

 

[PatrickShart]

Yeah....saw the replays today...and at the time, I for sure thought Smith was milking it



But real speed...the refs don't have the replays. If it happened to Crawford, I would have thought a 5min was warranted as well - but no game misconduct.



And, I didn't mean to say I thought it was intentional (if it looked like I said that). I think it was unintentional for sure...but giving a game misconduct meant the refs thought it was - that, I disagreed with.

 

[xatruio]

what ton said.... HE HAS A FUCKING MASK....grabbing your face from a shoulder or a stick or a puck as a player is understandable, not when you have a fucking full face cage.

 

[Ton]

Of course, two sides of every coin.



Smith milked it for everything he possibly could have. I've never seen Crawford fake injury that bad, even Luongo hasn't put up and act more than a minute or so unless he was leaving the game. The fact that Smith was on the ice for that long then got up and was ready to play after Shaw was thrown out made me lose all respect for him. If Crawford were to pull something like that I doubt very much I would change my opinion. Now if he was legitimately hurt and had to leave the game, I would agree with the 5 minute major but that was not the case.

 

[klemmer]

I was sitting pretty close to the "hit". In full speed...to the refs defense....it was a shoulder to the goalies head - and looked like a head shot.



Refs don't get the replays/etc. Full speed, game action, told to protect head shots.....I honestly understand the 5min major. I didn't like the game misconduct which I think calls for "intent" or deliberate shot.



I would be stunned if there was a suspension....but then again, I was stunned Weber played game 2....

The Game Misconduct is mandatory if you call a 5 minute major.



If the zebra thinks there was an attempt to injure or deliberate injury, a Match penalty would have been called.



Not much difference between the two other than the GM brings an automatic fine.

 

[klemmer]

There's a shitload of difference between taking a puck to the head and taking a shoulder to it.



I'll take the biscuit any day.

 

[PatrickShart]

Didn't Hossa vs Nash the cup year get a 5min major - but not a game on his hit from behind?



Chicago boarding - 5 min 18:57, M. Hossa

 

[Ton]

There's a shitload of difference between taking a puck to the head and taking a shoulder to it.



I'll take the biscuit any day.

Depends on how hard you're talking about and what angle. For the most part I'd take the shoulder the way Smith took it over a Seabs slapper to the head. Either way, no chance that hurt his face.

 

[klemmer]

Didn't Hossa vs Nash the cup year get a 5min major - but not a game on his hit from behind?



Chicago boarding - 5 min 18:57, M. Hossa

The GM is only required when there is injury to head or face.

 

[dlrob315]

Didn't Hossa vs Nash the cup year get a 5min major - but not a game on his hit from behind?



Chicago boarding - 5 min 18:57, M. Hossa

Goalies are handled differently, after Lucic's hit on Miller the GM's insisted on the Goalies to get special treatment the way the NFL handle QB's.



Goalies must be protected, without world class goalies the league would be mediocre but I admit the Refs were bamboozled last night; Shaw should have been given a interference but probably would have still been a major due to the incidental head contact.



All head shots warrant a review but not necessarily a hearing. I do not feel a hearing is warranted in this case, after the review it should have been deemed incidental head contact. My guess is the league is going to say it was Shaw responsibility to hold up and IMO it should only be a fine for a reckless play.

 

[BiscuitintheBasket]

So wait, now there's a time limit? And we have to count how many times his legs move to determine whether he's faking it or not? Again, another huge disconnect in the NHL fandom I will never, ever understand. Hahaha, yeah he "dramatically" went to cover his face.....after getting...hit...in....the face? I want to see someone "casually" do that. I need an example of that in order to determine the authenticity of Smith's hand going to his face.



The NHL may say or think they are past the stone age of rub some dirt on it (which is debatable), but the fan base sure as hell doesn't seem to be. "Yo sissy! Let's go hockey! They fight!!11! GET USED TO IT!!"

Glad to see you didn't even try to understand my post. Not too suprised as that is the norm for you as a poster....and I should know better. Lol

 

[Variable]

Oh I understood it. It was ridiculous. A shoulder to the head is a shoulder to the head. No other sport I've seen where you can be sure that the fans will question a player "milking" a fucking legitimate shoulder to the head, because there's no way to argue it was phantom. The call was already made, there's no point in dragging things out deliberately, the penalty was already given, nothing else will change the longer he stays down at that point. It was a penalty the second it happened. So again, it comes down to criticizing a player's reaction to receiving a head shot, something that every player reacts differently to.



Hey, if you all want to do that, be my guest, but you sound exactly like how people generalize all NHL fans, as incomprehensible dumbasses who make stupid statements like that.

 

[R K]

If the hit to the head was so bad that he was down for 10 minutes (insinuating high severity of injury), he should have left the ice. Simple as that. Everything else is acting to get more out of it.





Seabrook's cases were before the "silent room" rule. Still during the stone age mentality of rub dirt on it. And didn't Seabrook suffer a concusion from the Wiz hit...

If you didn't "quote" it, I wouldn't have to "SEE IT"!

 

[the canadian dream]

While i agree with the just of your post variable i dont think the officials decided on the misconduct until after they hudled. The initial penalty was called you are right...thats when shaw skated to the penalty box. After the officials huddle which included some nice whispering in the corner shaw was sent to the dressing room.



Thats what tsn showed. I dont know if it was different from your feed.



But i do agree a shoulder to the head is a shoulder to the head. Intension will be decided on upon shannaban and the league. The play as it happened on the ice at the exact moment in time is the officials responsibility and as pmx said the game moves fast and the officials dont get youtube videos to slow down frame by frame. The smith embelushment sucked and it did look to effect the misconduct call.



If there is any suspention its going to be one game. Im not concerned. I like shaw a lot but if this team cant overcome losing him for a game then shame on the hawks. This play is getting too much attention. Im sure the hawks arent sitting around yapping about it. Time to get focused for game 3.

 

[klemmer]

Depends on how hard you're talking about and what angle. For the most part I'd take the shoulder the way Smith took it over a Seabs slapper to the head. Either way, no chance that hurt his face.

Agreed,

 

[klemmer]

While i agree with the just of your post variable i dont think the officials decided on the misconduct until after they hudled. The initial penalty was called you are right...thats when shaw skated to the penalty box. After the officials huddle which included some nice whispering in the corner shaw was sent to the dressing room.

JT confirmed that very thing.

 

[BiscuitintheBasket]

If you didn't "quote it", Some of US wouldn't have to "SEE IT"!!!!

Lol. I am now in the same boat. Not sure why I ever did it before. Live and learn.

 

[Variable]

While i agree with the just of your post variable i dont think the officials decided on the misconduct until after they hudled. The initial penalty was called you are right...thats when shaw skated to the penalty box. After the officials huddle which included some nice whispering in the corner shaw was sent to the dressing room.



Thats what tsn showed. I dont know if it was different from your feed.



But i do agree a shoulder to the head is a shoulder to the head. Intension will be decided on upon shannaban and the league. The play as it happened on the ice at the exact moment in time is the officials responsibility and as pmx said the game moves fast and the officials dont get youtube videos to slow down frame by frame. The smith embelushment sucked and it did look to effect the misconduct call.



If there is any suspention its going to be one game. Im not concerned. I like shaw a lot but if this team cant overcome losing him for a game then shame on the hawks. This play is getting too much attention. Im sure the hawks arent sitting around yapping about it. Time to get focused for game 3.

See the point is that people are SURE that it was an embellishment. That it HAD to be that. That somehow you are positive of how a player reacted to a hit to the head and that you are sure he's faking it. How can you possibly be sure about something like that? I'd agree with you if he never got hit in the head and it was a true flop or maybe just barely brushed or something.....but he got hit with a shoulder and it fucking snapped his head around. And we're talking about "dramatically" moving his hands and legs as that happened as some kind of proof that he's faking it? Really? That's the discussion around this hit? Only in the NHL.



Who knows what Shaw gets, that's already been fucked by the Weber ruling, it can be anything.

 

[R K]

Lol. I am now in the same boat. Not sure why I ever did it before. Live and learn.

I'm doing much better with my anger management.