Mock Draft

[alexbear1]

Nice job!

Definitely say goodbye to Cutler.

I like Glennon. Definitely like 6'6" QBs. He'd be in my QB universe for 2017 on. However, generally speaking, I don't currently rank him over Barkley, Hoyer and Shaw. I'd bring him in to compete for starting. I think 6 mil is very reasonable. I don't know about the 2017 QB class yet, but I'd lean drafting high. Would I go Glennon over Hoyer? Yes.

I'd cut McPhee (& Houston). His guaranteed $ is paid. I don't think he can play enough games for 7.3m/yr.

I'd re-sign Larsen for sure. He payed well. Plus sign Kush, Washington, Thompson.

I don't know enough about RT Wagner. I'm fine with Massie at $6m/yr. I think he's done well enough. I like where the OL is right now -- although we do need more OT depth/prospects. However, love to improve on Massie at the right price.

Yep, cut Royal, he now is a real injury liability.

Eric Berry is really good, but I'm not willing to pay a 28yr-old 10M/yr to play FS (which is what Chiefs paid him for 1yr 2016). I want to find/develop a young player. Bears haven't even played Houston-Carson there yet (maybe they have a good reason). Berry's coming off a good year with a rising team that was obviously willing to pay him that much... so I don't see Bears and Berry coming together. I don't think our current Safeties are mega-liabilities, plus they're young and inexpensive. I'd rather inch-up with a young prospect than pay a ton for an older vet. But I don't mind signing a great vet at a low price.

We need better depth at CB. Adding Gilmore to Porter, Fuller, Hall, Langley, Callahan, LeBlanc (7) seems like overkill. If we can afford him, I like it, but wouldn't Gilmore be more of a replacement to Porter?

I'd hire Harbaugh for HC, but most say he's not done with Michigan yet. I'm also OK keeping the entire coaching staff. I like the direction, and the injuries were extreme. There may be better HCs or OCs out there, but if we keep ***io at DC, and there's stability with Fox/Loggians, I know we could do worse. I would hire McDaniels at OC, but most say he wouldn't do that.

I do think Glennon is slight better (and younger) than Hoyer and probably Barkley. Barkley has impressed recently though so I was attempting to bring in more competition at a reasonable price.

I chose Barnett in the 1st round because I don't know how much longer McPhee will hold up and because I think Barnett and Floyd can be the future OLBs for the Bears. As I said McPhee worries me but I am not ready to cut him yet (wanting to see how he comes back next season after a full offseason). When he's fully fit he's a beast. Houston is too expensive for someone with his unfortunate injury history.

There was no room to fit Larsen on the roster and I chose Kush over him. With Grasu and Ramcyzk we have our back ups. If we wanted the extra back up then yes I'd re-sign him though I'd probably prefer an extra OT because Whitehair could easily play OG which would allow Grasu to play C.

Wagner is a decent step up from Massie (who has improved to be fair). My aim with Wagner and the Ramcyzk pick was to give our QB as much protection as possible. I think as a QB you couldn't ask for much more with this Bears OL outside of the Dallas OL!

Berry is only 28 which I think is still young. He's one of the best FSs in the NFL and I wanted to upgrade the secondary in a big way. I don't rate our safeties though I like Amos in the bench. I do like Jamal Adams but as said I don't like him at 4 and people on this board don't like make up trade backs so I went with a 12 sack OLB guy which made sense to me outside of a QB. I would have chosen Malik Hooper (FS) but he's returning to school and also I still don't like a safety at 4. I think Pace builds his drafts through the trenches and don't see him reaching for players in the secondary at 4.

Gilmore, Langley and Hall are (Gilmore) or will be the replacements for Porter and probably Fuller. I'd cut Porter if it mean't getting Gilmore under the salary cap. Either Porter will be gone the season after next but I thought we'd keep him if we could given we'll have $81m in salary cap room. I don't know how Fuller will come back so the Langley pick was an attempt to cover for that. He's the type of CB that Fangio prefers.

Harburgh arrives in 2018 and keeps Fangio in place when Fox either retires or is fired. That's the plan!

 

[alexbear1]

If we want to sign Jeffery long term we need to wow him with some QB's.

I love that everyone is on the Mike Glennon train now, where is Ryan Mallet these days? Skid Row with Manziel?

Trade for Jimmy G, or Osweiler. Re-sign Barkley and if we let Hoyer walk I am fine with it since he didn't have the balls or arm speed to just throw it up to Jeffery. We need Jeffery or we aren't serious about winning.

Judging by this Board there's a lot of people NOT on the Glennon hype train. I do understand that.

I like Garoppolo but I think in a bidding war the Browns can easily outbid us for him and I'd expect them to do so. I have no interest in Osweiler and even less so his ridiculous contract. Glennon or Barkley with an improved OL, Howard, a re-signed Jeffrey (I think he'll be quite likely to want sign a new contract now) and the addition of Leggett can drive the Bears forward.

I agree with you on Jeffrey even though he annoys me. He doesn't annoy me enough to chose Mike Williams in the first round of the upcoming draft. That's why I've re-signed him. I think I'll he sign.

 

[alexbear1]

I actually like the mock. I've been thinking recently about a draft where the Bears don't have Garrett, Allen or they don't love any of the QBs at 4. I keep coming back to Derek Barnett as the top "other" option, and honestly, I don't think there's much else I'd really want other than the 3 defensive players or a QB. Barnett has a lot of similarities to McPhee, including carrying a little extra midsection weight last year. But he's a very good compliment to Floyd (short, strong at POA to Floyd's length and speed). He'd give the Bears a very strong 4 man rotation off the edge. I really don't want a safety, OT, or CB at 4 and there are no TEs worthy of a pick that high. Those 4 and QB are the biggest needs to me. Edge rusher isn't a need, but Barnett may very well be the BPA when it comes to fit and value at #4.

The 2nd and 3rd round picks are very good picks, as I think Ramczyk is the #2 OT and very NFL ready ala Whitehair. And I think Leggett is a very good all-around TE. I don't know much about the DBs in the 4th, but I'll look into those guys. I really like Tomlinson in the 5th. Mostly a run stopper, but I really like the idea of bringing in a strong run stopping NT that can move Goldman to the 5-technique in the base defense. Should really be able to do damage against the run.

Thanks. OLB isn't a need if McPhee stays fit and Young continues his form. However if either are injured it will be quite quickly and choosing Barnett now was an attempt to solidify the position for years to come.

I would have considered an OT but don't think there's a good enough one this draft for that spot and recent draft history shows a lot of the OTs chosen high in the 1st round don't cut it. Leggett is Miller's eventual replacement.

I think Porter has one more season left though as I mentioned elsewhere I'd cut him to justify getting Gilmore. With Langley I think he's a Fangio type corner and this pick was an attempt to some 'decent' depth. Goldman has significant injury history and Tomlinson is a pure run stopper (I got this pick from Windy alongside a few others) so this was again a case of better depth in the event of injury.

 

[alexbear1]

I don't understand where the bully part comes in?

The 4th pick is on the bench, the DL doesn't get addressed at all.

The OL will need to bully people if Glennon starts. We should just continue to start Barkley and save the 6 million.

Fair enough. As I explained initially I had the thought to choose Fournette with the Bears first round pick as he's likely the BPA at 4 or 5 in the first round. I imagined an aggressive defence enhanced with the FA additions alongside an upgraded OL and two absolute monsters at RB running through and over the opposition. In the end I couldn't bring myself to choose Fournette though I think when the draft comes round it wouldn't bother me if Pace did.

Clearly I chose Barnett. I am worried about McPhee's knee and think Barnett will likely be on the field a lot as he's also a good run stopper as well as a 12 sack OLB/DE this season. The Bears will be set with 4 quality OLBs giving opposing QBs no let up in pressure. With the additions of Barnett and the other players in FA I believe the Bears defence will absolutely dominate (hence BULLY still works for me).

I don't believe addressing the DL is a significant need ahead of all the other areas though I do agree with you that Hicks deserves an upgraded contract. I did add Tomlinson in the 5th to add power at the point of attack and as cover for Goldman. Re-signing Washington was important and Bullard deserves another offseason before we get all down on him. Instead of a DE in the first 3 rounds I chose an OLB, OT and TE. Those positions were more important to me. If Allen was available I would take him over Barnett.

Floyd started on the bench and he's now the star. Barnett has similar potential (maybe not quite the highest ceiling) and is also a load against the run.

I think Glennon is significant competition for Barkley and between the two of them we'll only be spending $10m on the QB position. I think the $6m is justifiable.

Ramcyzk, Sitton, Whitehair, Long, Wagner has the potential to bully most opposing DLs in my opinion. Howard is the safety valve for Glennon and is vital. Him getting injured would hurt the Bears badly which is why I nearly went with Fournette in the first and still might.

 

[vabearsfan15]

VA's Mock Draft [1.0]

Free Agency
Mychal Rivera, TE
Markus Wheaton, WR
Eric Berry, S



Re-Sign
Alshon Jeffery
C. Washington
Sam Acho
Bryce Callahan
Connor Barth


Cut/Let Walk
Jay Cutler
Brian Hoyer
Deonte Thompson
Marquess Wilson
Josh Bellamy
Logan Paulsen
Christian Jones
Will Sutton
Prosinski


1. Deshaun Watson, QB, Clemson

2. Ryan Ramcyzk, OT, Wisconsin

3. Cam Sutton, CB, Tennessee

4. Jeremy Sprinkle, TE, Arkansas

4. Vincent Taylor, NT, Oklahoma St,

6. JK Scott, P, Alabama

7. KD Cannon, WR, Baylor

QB: Watson, Barkley, Shaw
RB: Howard, Langford, Carey
WR: Jeffery, White, Royal, Meridith, Wheaton, Braverman/Canon
TE: Miller, Rivera, Sprinkle
T: Ramcyzk, Massie, Leno Jr
G: Sitton, Long, Larsen
C: Whitehair, Grasu

NT: Goldman, Taylor/Ferguson
DT: Hicks, Bullard, C.Washington, Unrein,
ILB: Freeman, Trevathan, Kwiatkowski, Timu/UDFA
OLB: Young, McPhee, Floyd, Houston, Acho
CB: Porter, Fuller, Sutton,Callahan, Leblanc, Hall, Hurst/UDFA
S: Berry, Amos, HJQ, Bush, Houston-Carson

K: Barth
P: Scott
LS:Scales

 

[alexbear1]

Shaw/Barkley/Hoyer are all > Glennon... besides not drafting a QB ANYWHERE which is fucking asinine, and picking up noodle arm in FA i love the draft and offseason. Barnett will have instant success in the pros as a 3 down player. He's a fucking beast.

I nearly chose Falk in the 4th round and still might if he's there. Mahomes II is my other preferred option in the early part of the 2nd round. I am just not convinced that they're better than Glennon. Mahomes can unleash it all the way down the field though with decent accuracy but Jeffrey isn't a sprinter and White hasn't done anything yet least of all from a speed perspective so thought why bother with Mahomes.

 

[alexbear1]

Pace has spent two years missing out on QBs that he wanted in the 1st round (Mariota and Wentz). I don't think he passes up another one this year and opts to FA. I am more willing to bet we move up and grab someone than any other option we have if needed.

I agree. It just depends if he rates one of the 2017 QBs as much as Mariota.w

 

[wazzupi]

Doesn't make sense to replace Leno only Massie and a RT can be found in FA(preferred so we can use Massie cut savings on his replacement) or later in the draft.

 

[PickSix]

I like it.
The OT strategy, I'm ok with unless it is easy to find an obvious upgrade to Massie in FA. I wouldn't get into a possible bidding war or potential bad contract just to make the change.
I would also dump Houston if a top end CB or upgrade at 5 Tech could be found in FA.

 

[vabearsfan15]

I agree. It just depends if he rates one of the 2017 QBs as much as Mariota.w

True, yet part of me wants to believe he likes someone in this draft considering he passed on drafting one the last two years.

Also, I really, really like Barnett, as I am a Tennessee fan. He is relentless and is tied for the all-time number of sacks with Reggie White! My only concern is with how we will translate to a 3-4 defense. He is more ideal for a 4-3, but if Fangio feels he can use him, then I would be ok with it considering we are taken care at QB (Maybe Watson drops to the 2nd like some think, but I doubt it?). Will be interesting to see who emerges and seperates themselves throughout the pre-draft process.

 

[vabearsfan15]

Doesn't make sense to replace Leno only Massie and a RT can be found in FA(preferred so we can use Massie cut savings on his replacement) or later in the draft.

Kush?

Pretty solid overall.

I'm all for the best 5 players starting and adding competition. I haven't observed Kush very closely, but I am all for him taking a spot from Larsen and possibly even Grasu if he performs better throughout the offseason.

As for Massie, I don't think we cut ties with him. I think the reason he was brought in over drafting a young replacement last year is because this team identifies themselves as a run-first offense. He was brought in to strengthen the running game, and to be serviceable in passing. I think it is more possible that we focus on drafting a strong blocking TE like Sprinkle before getting rid of Massie.

 

[BearAttack]

Underclassmen Thread

It's finally almost draft time again, when hopes and dreams can run rampant once again.

There are a few underclassmen that are of interest to me (Jabrill Peppers anyone?) So I have been using this to keep track of who has declared.

Who are you guys waiting for to declare, and what do you think of guys like that have already? Peppers and Kizer are my answers for me. Big needs too.

 

[AussieBear]

Free Agency
Mychal Rivera, TE
Markus Wheaton, WR
Eric Berry, S



Re-Sign
Alshon Jeffery
C. Washington
Sam Acho
Bryce Callahan
Connor Barth


Cut/Let Walk
Jay Cutler
Brian Hoyer
Deonte Thompson
Marquess Wilson
Josh Bellamy
Logan Paulsen
Christian Jones
Will Sutton
Prosinski


1. Deshaun Watson, QB, Clemson

2. Ryan Ramcyzk, OT, Wisconsin

3. Cam Sutton, CB, Tennessee

4. Jeremy Sprinkle, TE, Arkansas

4. Vincent Taylor, NT, Oklahoma St,

6. JK Scott, P, Alabama

7. KD Cannon, WR, Baylor

QB: Watson, Barkley, Shaw
RB: Howard, Langford, Carey
WR: Jeffery, White, Royal, Meridith, Wheaton, Braverman/Canon
TE: Miller, Rivera, Sprinkle
T: Ramcyzk, Massie, Leno Jr
G: Sitton, Long, Larsen
C: Whitehair, Grasu

NT: Goldman, Taylor/Ferguson
DT: Hicks, Bullard, C.Washington, Unrein,
ILB: Freeman, Trevathan, Kwiatkowski, Timu/UDFA
OLB: Young, McPhee, Floyd, Houston, Acho
CB: Porter, Fuller, Sutton,Callahan, Leblanc, Hall, Hurst/UDFA
S: Berry, Amos, HJQ, Bush, Houston-Carson

K: Barth
P: Scott
LS:Scales

you have more money to spend... love the punter.. i despise megashank.. he definitely needs to go..

 

[strockrocks]

"It's finally almost draft time" is about 5 months away. Like almost summer time.

 

[alexbear1]

True, yet part of me wants to believe he likes someone in this draft considering he passed on drafting one the last two years.

Also, I really, really like Barnett, as I am a Tennessee fan. He is relentless and is tied for the all-time number of sacks with Reggie White! My only concern is with how we will translate to a 3-4 defense. He is more ideal for a 4-3, but if Fangio feels he can use him, then I would be ok with it considering we are taken care at QB (Maybe Watson drops to the 2nd like some think, but I doubt it?). Will be interesting to see who emerges and seperates themselves throughout the pre-draft process.

I am sure Pace does. I just don't know who those one or two guys may be. I don't want Kaaya. I am not convinced Trubisky is any better than who I've got in my mock Roster. I like Mahomes II as I think his deep ball and general toughness will match up well alongside Howard and an upgraded OL. The wild cards are almost certainly Kizer and Watson. Rather than risk it on them I went for a continuation of upgrading the overall roster.

I think Fangio will get plenty out of Barnett. There was the same worry with Young and he's doing alright. Fangio runs 4 man fronts as well. Fangio adapts to the pieces he has very well though clearly he wants people that suits his scheme just like any coordinator.

 

[alexbear1]

I'll be interested to see if Jonathan Banks gets a chance and if he takes it. He's press man type corner which one would think would suit Fangio's defence. Another Pace find!

 

[Midway Fields]

TJ Watt

 

[mecha]

this is CCS in a nutshell.

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ps. fuck your wishlist

also, why can't anyone spell "you're" anymore?

 

[Naf]

Stopped reading when I saw Bellamy still on the team.

 

[sphinxnole]

Dalvin Cook...