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I didn't miss the point; I have another way of looking at it. Moehrig is a versatile safety and can play alongside Brisker or replace him if he goes out. As Byard has aged, he isn't someone you want playing over the top anymore. Byard played better last year once Brisker went out, and they moved him closer to the line of scrimmage. He isn't worth $8.5M, and that money can be better used elsewhere. As far as covering yourself against losing Brisker to injury again (which is likely), you're in the same situation whether or not you move Byard.
You need to have two starting safeties… you get rid of Byard and you’ll need two new safeties. You keep Byard and you only need one (more) starting safety. That’s the point.

Don’t count on Brisker. You should already consider his role needing my to be filled.
 

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What do we have to go off of to say Brisker can play FS at all let alone play it better than Byard?
His rookie season where he played 15 games at Free Safety,
 

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Yes, but he can be a much cheaper Mike if the Bears move on from Edmunds after this season. Same goes for Sanborn who can also be the Mike.
You have us restructuring Edmunds contract so won't that cost us money to cut him after the season now?
 

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His rookie season where he played 15 games at Free Safety,
But he wasn't good, so i'd rather not go off of that to choose to put him back there.
 

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You have us restructuring Edmunds contract so won't that cost us money to cut him after the season now?
Restructuring him is purely an option in the event the Bears need to make an additional move during the season.

All they would be doing is moving money off the cap from this year to next year. But yes, it will create more dead money next year if he is released. They would only move about $4M to give more flexibility.
 

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But he wasn't good, so i'd rather not go off of that to choose to put him back there.
It was arguably his best season, he had 4 sacks and 104 tackles. He is a big hitter at SS but he will be better served taking less punishment.
 

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You need to have two starting safeties… you get rid of Byard and you’ll need two new safeties. You keep Byard and you only need one (more) starting safety. That’s the point.

Don’t count on Brisker. You should already consider his role needing my to be filled.
So don't count the 32 year old safety with one year remaining as a role needing to be filled? If you are already assuming they will need two new safeties doesnt it make sense to grab one this year and one next year instead of both safeties and possibly both linebackers in the same off season?

Give Brisker a chance to move away from the box and see if the guardian cap helps him avoid concussions.

Solidify the in box run defense with a top 5 run defending SS this season, and if Brisker gets injured we will know for sure we are looking for FS in the 2026 draft.
 

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It was arguably his best season, he had 4 sacks and 104 tackles. He is a big hitter at SS but he will be better served taking less punishment.
I see him with 94 tackles. Byard had 120 tackles and 2 sacks last year.
 

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LOL Jaquan brisker didnt play FS his rookie year, Football reference says that but its wrong. He was the box safety and spent more time playing Sky and Buzz than deep zones.
 
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John Lynch Confirmed Hargraves Will Be Released


You keep saying Hargraves wont be released when its been reported multiple times... Are you planning to die on that hill?

Players get injured and return, by your logic I suppose the Bears don't have a starting left tackle either since Braxton broke his ankle last year.

I kept Demarcus Walker as another option to move inside, plus Billings, plus Hargraves, plus Dexter, plus Stackhouse...

How is that thin with 5 possible options. FYI this is Dennis Allen's defense where the DE can also slide inside for sub package use. The DLine depth I list is very good imo.
I didn't say he won't be released - I'd read a bit more carefully. I said he won't save them much money. He's got $25m in dead cap. That will all count, whether they break it up over 2 years or not. They aren't getting any cap relief from cutting him.
I stand by the idea that he's injured, or that they just are willing to take a large cap hit to cut him. Either way, that doesn't give me a good feeling about him.

The Bears aren't cutting Braxton Jones, and he would leave far less dead cap than Hargrave. See the difference?

I would say pretty thin at NT as well.
 
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So don't count the 32 year old safety with one year remaining as a role needing to be filled? If you are already assuming they will need two new safeties doesnt it make sense to grab one this year and one next year instead of both safeties and possibly both linebackers in the same off season?

Give Brisker a chance to move away from the box and see if the guardian cap helps him avoid concussions.

Solidify the in box run defense with a top 5 run defending SS this season, and if Brisker gets injured we will know for sure we are looking for FS in the 2026 draft.
I definitely think they should draft a S somewhere around the 3rd or 5th rounds but i'm starting Byard and Brisker and worrying about getting new guys next offseason.
 

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LOL Jaquan brisker didnt play FS his rookie year, Football reference says that but its wrong. He was the box safety and spent more time playing Cloud and Buzz than deep zones.
I was questioning that when he said it but then i thought i did see him play some there but not the whole season as @Xplosive said.
 

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It was arguably his best season, he had 4 sacks and 104 tackles. He is a big hitter at SS but he will be better served taking less punishment.
How many free safeties have 4 sacks in one season?
 

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I was questioning that when he said it but then i thought i did see him play some there but not the whole season as @Xplosive said.
Brisker spent 2/3 of his snaps in the box or at the line of scrimmage - Jackson had the fewest snaps in the box of his career up to that point in '22 - just go back and watch tape lol its plain as day. Granted IDK why anyone would want to watch film of that god awful season.
 

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Brisker spent 2/3 of his snaps in the box or at the line of scrimmage - Jackson had the fewest snaps in the box of his career up to that point in '22 - just go back and watch tape lol its plain as day. Granted IDK why anyone would want to watch film of that god awful season.
I agree with you but i did think i saw him play there some (not much) which could of been because of an injury to Eddie Jackson or something or maybe i didn't see him play there and i'm just too old to remember correctly.
 

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I agree with you but i did think i saw him play there some (not much) which could of been because of an injury to Eddie Jackson or something or maybe i didn't see him play there and i'm just too old to remember correctly.
Eddie Jackson early in his career was extremely productive when the team would mix in snaps where they would show either cover 2 or have him back as the middle field S in Cov 1 or 3, but then have him step up into Robber or Hook coverages and rotate the other S or a CB/NB into the deep zone. He got a ton of picks this way under Fangio in particular. The S across from him would have to be able to handle deep zone on occasion as the Ds changeup to their normal assignments, there had to be some versatility with the SS because of that. Eberflus when he came to the Bears was somewhat similar in that he liked to disguise which S would be dropping deep middle presnap. Most teams will ask some form of versatility from both of their S, very few players will only play in the box and those that do are usually S/LB Tweeners/hybrids.
 

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"I feel like the Bears haven't gotten the best version of me yet," Brisker said. "I feel like it's going to happen this year. … Having both of us move left and right, is going to be good for the both of us. We get the best of both worlds, which is good.
"It's going to show a lot of what I can do in the back end at free safety, my range. Obviously, you guys see it out there but you're going to see it more this year — my range, how I can make more plays on the ball."

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Brisker played free safety and strong safety his rookie year. Eberflus stated from the beginning that both he and Eddie Jackson would be interchangeable in his cover 2 defense. Regardless of how the snap count balanced out at the end of the season, Brisker can play FS and is open to playing it.

He will be better served if they move him out of the box. Even that may not help him stay healthy but it is worth a shot. There is no reason to keep saying he can't play FS and the better choice is to keep the overpriced 32 year old instead of finding a long term solution.
 

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Brisker played free safety and strong safety his rookie year. Eberflus stated from the beginning that both he and Eddie Jackson would be interchangeable in his cover 2 defense. Regardless of how the snap count balanced out at the end of the season, Brisker can play FS and is open to playing it.

He will be better served if they move him out of the box. Even that may not help him stay healthy but it is worth a shot. There is no reason to keep saying he can't play FS and the better choice is to keep the overpriced 32 year old instead of finding a long term solution.
This quote was before the '24 season and wasnt about his rookie year. He was on track to play more deep zone in '24 though before he got hurt (granted it was 5 games), I think Eberflus wanted to use him and Byard as interchangeable Safetys as much as possible which is the ambiguity that Flus' scheme wants at the S position.

Eberflus "cover 2" played more cover 3 than any other single coverage, particularly in '22 and when they had Brisker play deep zone he would often get quarter responsibilities when possible instead of having to handle a deep half. In my world the S thats in the box a lot more than the other S and gets pushed away from deep half where possible is the SS.

Briskers not great in deep zone coverage and moving out of the box is taking away his best attributes in my opinion. I mentioned in another post almost no S in the NFL are only in the box or only in deep zone coverage but Brisker should be at minimum spending half his time close to the line of scrimmage which is a ratio he has kept every season of his career so far. EDIT: that doesnt mean the Bears should be married to Byard as the other S, it just means dont ask to limit Briskers strengths because you want a change at another position.
 
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I mean just look at Saquon on NYG. Then look at him last year with PHI. Look at Swift last year with PHI, then this year with Bears. Swift had nearly a yard per carry more than Barkley over 4 years. Then put them on different teams and Barkley averages 2 mpre ypc.

Any DET RB has been very good since their OL has been good. Many examples abound. OL is many times more important. Philly has had a good running game for many years with different RBs because of their OL.
My prediction : assuming they are still on the board in the second round, the Bears will draft Omarion Hampton or Kaleb Johnson. Lots of different things can happen, of course in terms of trades, etc, but the new coach understands the importance of BOTH a superior O line and an elite RB.
 

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I definitely think they should draft a S somewhere around the 3rd or 5th rounds but i'm starting Byard and Brisker and worrying about getting new guys next offseason.
That's fine, I also considered taking a Safety in the draft as well, its just a mock. I personally liked the effort that Byard played with and his professionalism.

It was a tough decision but I chose to take the $7M of cap space and put it toward a much younger player that is a much better player in run defense.

It also helps Brisker imo and I think Moehrig + a healthy Brisker could be a much better duo than injured Brisker + old Byard.
 

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