Montero DFA'd, welcome to the bigs Caritini!

[JP Hochbaum]

It would be nice to see an actual breakdown of trades per year by position. My google skills are not pulling anything up.

 

[chibears55]

It would be nice to see an actual breakdown of trades per year by position. My google skills are not pulling anything up.

My guess high to low % wise, would be ...

SP
REL
OFers
SS/2B
1B/3B
C


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[beckdawg]

It would be nice to see an actual breakdown of trades per year by position. My google skills are not pulling anything up.

I doubt it's that interesting statistically. My gut says positional players are largely the same though you're more likely to see players who hit and there's obvious bias there toward certain positions. I'd imagine relievers are traded most often as well.

 

[TL1961]

No one is saying to themselves, man I need a catcher that can block pitches better than what we have. Certainly not a contending team as if that was truly an issue they'd not be contenders.

Chicago Media yesterday basically said he's a wait til next year candidate so I am not alone in this opinion.

It's just not enough bat for a Contending team to risk it. But like I said, time will tell.

Yeah, he's more likely to be acquired due to an injury than to replace a healthy catcher right now. But someone will get decent value when it happens.

 

[DanTown]

Yes, its enlightening to learn from the CCS Intelligentsia that a left-handed catcher with a .286/.366/.439 slashline has no place in today's MLB world. I'm glad this group is staying on top of baseball trends and are ahead of the curve.

And I think MLB teams would see a higher than normal BABIP and question if he's really going to have a .800 OPS on his next team and the fact that he's quite bad at catching skills and he's openly complained about his less than heavy usage role on a team that won the WS so will teams really want to add that to their team.

The other issue is that bringing him in takes one catcher off the roster (unless he finds a AL team that thinks he has some DH value) throws off a few of your starters that were working with a guy already. I mean, his bat has been good in like a 100 PA sample but if he's the same hitter that he was last year (and none of the metrics seem to imply he's a better hitter) then no team is going to want all that baggage for some replacement level hitter at C.

 

[anotheridiot]

I wonder if anyone offered Jed anything that they turned down or the teams are just waiting for him to become a free agent.

 

[beckdawg]

I wonder if anyone offered Jed anything that they turned down or the teams are just waiting for him to become a free agent.

You have 10 days to trade or release. Today will be 4. Give it a few more. Something doesn't happen in the next day or so I'd assume they are waiting as you say.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

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The #BlueJays receive Miguel Montero & cash considerations from the Cubs in exchange for a player to be named later or cash considerations.

The proverbial bag of balls. Still Toronto wanted him bad enough not to wait for him to clear.

 

[beckdawg]

The proverbial bag of balls. Still Toronto wanted him bad enough not to wait for him to clear.

As I assumed it would be. Player is likely to be next to nothing. I'm more curious how much money they are essentially eating for the cubs here by trading for him. He's making $14 mil this year and we're roughly half way into the season. Saving $7 mil would help some with the luxury tax especially if they add at the deadline but obviously the cubs are chipping in money it would seem.

 

[JP Hochbaum]

But I thought catchers don't get traded in midseason?

 

[TC in Mississippi]

As I assumed it would be. Player is likely to be next to nothing. I'm more curious how much money they are essentially eating for the cubs here by trading for him. He's making $14 mil this year and we're roughly half way into the season. Saving $7 mil would help some with the luxury tax especially if they add at the deadline but obviously the cubs are chipping in money it would seem.

Indications are that the Cubs are picking up almost all of his money. MLB Radio is saying that there were multiple teams interested when he cleared and outside of Martin Toronto is hurting at C and didn't want to risk him signing elsewhere. Makes perfect sense.

 

[beckdawg]

Indications are that the Cubs are picking up almost all of his money. MLB Radio is saying that there were multiple teams interested when he cleared and outside of Martin Toronto is hurting at C and didn't want to risk him signing elsewhere. Makes perfect sense.

If they are picking up everything then I imagine they are getting a some what useful piece back. Wont be a star or anything but could be something in TOR's top 30 prospects.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

If they are picking up everything then I imagine they are getting a some what useful piece back. Wont be a star or anything but could be something in TOR's top 30 prospects.

I guess I just don't see the incentive for that. The Cubs would have been on the hook for almost all the money had he cleared, less the prorated minimum of about $250K. So Toronto wanted to jump the gun and maybe offered to take $750K or something to keep another team from signing him. Cubs pick up a few dollars they wouldn't have had normally. It's all just chump change.

 

[brett05]

But I thought catchers don't get traded in midseason?

-Said by no one

 

[brett05]

The proverbial bag of balls. Still Toronto wanted him bad enough not to wait for him to clear.

So pretty much what I said. A next year project considering Toronto is out of contention.

 

[beckdawg]

I guess I just don't see the incentive for that. The Cubs would have been on the hook for almost all the money had he cleared, less the prorated minimum of about $250K. So Toronto wanted to jump the gun and maybe offered to take $750K or something to keep another team from signing him. Cubs pick up a few dollars they wouldn't have had normally. It's all just chump change.

My take on it was more they had two choices. Either TOR eats a larger portion of money and the cubs get the proverbial bag of balls or Cubs pay almost all and get a player who might be something even if it's only org filler. If multiple teams were interested I have to imagine they weren't just doing that to save a few 100k over what they other wise would have gotten when some team picked him up.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

My take on it was more they had two choices. Either TOR eats a larger portion of money and the cubs get the proverbial bag of balls or Cubs pay almost all and get a player who might be something even if it's only org filler. If multiple teams were interested I have to imagine they weren't just doing that to save a few 100k over what they other wise would have gotten when some team picked him up.

Why not? It's good faith and a working relationship with Toronto's GM. I think you're overthinking it. If another team picked him up the Cubs would have been on the hook for almost the entire $7 mil. You do a team a solid and help them jump in line. I think it's more relationship building than anything else.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

So pretty much what I said. A next year project considering Toronto is out of contention.

No man, you don't get to spin it that way. Montero's deal is up at the end of the year, Toronto needed a backup to give Martin some rest. You didn't say a contender wouldn't pick him up, you said no one would.

 

[beckdawg]

Why not? It's good faith and a working relationship with Toronto's GM. I think you're overthinking it. If another team picked him up the Cubs would have been on the hook for almost the entire $7 mil. You do a team a solid and help them jump in line. I think it's more relationship building than anything else.

If he is out right released, from my understanding even if he signed for the minimum which would be around 500k that's $500k less the cubs don't have to pay him as whatever his new team pays him they eat out of his remaining contract. You suggested there were multiple teams interested. If we're using your numbers of $750k savings for the cubs, that's only +$250k over essentially what they'd get if he hit the street. If that's all the more you're getting out of multiple teams being involved I think you're doing a poor job trading.

Like I said, I don't think they are getting a star back as the PTBNL but $250k may as well be nothing. I honestly think you could get a team to give you a low level lottery ticket rather than money and you'd be better off. Keep in mind this week is IFA week where they throw around $100k deals on 16 year olds. I look at it as similar to say the Tony Campana deal(returned Jesus Castillo and Erick Leal). Probably similar value player maybe slightly more for Montero though he comes with baggage so bump him down a notch. That Campana deal returned an 17 and 18 year old pitching prospect without much of a ceiling but it was still something more than cash.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

If he is out right released, from my understanding even if he signed for the minimum which would be around 500k that's $500k less the cubs don't have to pay him as whatever his new team pays him they eat out of his remaining contract. You suggested there were multiple teams interested. If we're using your numbers of $750k savings for the cubs, that's only +$250k over essentially what they'd get if he hit the street. If that's all the more you're getting out of multiple teams being involved I think you're doing a poor job trading.

Like I said, I don't think they are getting a star back as the PTBNL but $250k may as well be nothing. I honestly think you could get a team to give you a low level lottery ticket rather than money and you'd be better off. Keep in mind this week is IFA week where they throw around $100k deals on 16 year olds. I look at it as similar to say the Tony Campana deal(returned Jesus Castillo and Erick Leal). Probably similar value player maybe slightly more for Montero though he comes with baggage so bump him down a notch. That Campana deal returned an 17 and 18 year old pitching prospect without much of a ceiling but it was still something more than cash.

Fair enough. The only thing is the multiple teams would not have caused a bidding war. Montero gets the remainder of his contract no matter what. A team picking him up would have to pay $250K, the prorated minimum, no matter who they were. The difference is that Montero would simply get to choose where he would go and Toronto was probably not high on the list.