Most Underrated/Overrated Players in the NBA?

[houheffna]

Wade and Jason Williams won.

I think rather than discussing whether Gordon could or couldn't be part of a championship team because he's 6'3 is really putting the cart before the horse relative to our other issues like not having a top 5 player in the NBA. That seems like a much greater limiting factor on championship aspirations than an inch of height on a 3rd or 4th best player on the team.

Cheeks and Toney also won in 1983. When I compared Gordon to Toney, I had to hear this stuff about Toney not shooting 3pts at the time. I thought it was a fair comparison, but people think Gordon is better than Toney was and there was no comparison. Toney is a legendary player in Philly, one of the great clutch players of all time. Collins would make the comparisons during broadcasts. Of course Toney destroyed one of the greatest teams in NBA history. So that should have shown the respect I had for Gordon's game offensively.

The difference is Jason Williams was not very important. Dumars and Thomas were the best players on the Pistons championship teams. That is the prototype for how you build a champion around smallish guards. This argument is not new, it started when Gordon and Hinrich were starters. I agreed with the statement then and I agree now.

The Bulls also wanted to alter the lineup. They wanted a guard who was longer and better defensively and really wanted Gordon coming off the bench. Some people are pissed the Bulls didn't resign Gordon, I am pissed they didn't draft Brandon Roy...but I'm over it...

 

[theCHI_Life84]

im about to start complaining about the elton brand trade. and argue that lamarcus aldridge was the better choice over tyrus thomas.

why cant we all just agree to disagree. this horse died 2 years ago, lets put our sticks down and look for a live one to beat

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

I think it's sad that we've gone from the Jordan/Pippen/Jackson days to arguing over the valuability of Ben Gordon.

 

[Scoot26]

im about to start complaining about the elton brand trade. and argue that lamarcus aldridge was the better choice over tyrus thomas.

why cant we all just agree to disagree. this horse died 2 years ago, lets put our sticks down and look for a live one to beat

Thanks for the new smiley idea

 

[pinkizdead]

John Salmons was our 6'7 starting sg to begin the year and his 6 inches didn't make him any better than BG. Kevin Martin at 6'7 is also no better defensively than BG. ANd he is 6 inches taller.

agreed.

speed, effort, stamina, and athleticism all have to be counted into the equation. You can't simply base an argument on height alone.

 

[pinkizdead]

Why are we stuck in 2007 Mode?

august/september are SLOW SLOW months for basketball.


plus i dont think anyone really wants to complain about both, pargo and TT being let go.

 

[RC_Skinny22]

Overrated: Lamar Odom
Underrated: Andre Iguodala

 

[TheStig]

I think it's sad that we've gone from the Jordan/Pippen/Jackson days to arguing over the valuability of Ben Gordon.

I don't know about you guys but he is my favorite post MJ player besides Rose. Noah is probably gonna pass him up soon and Brand never did much here outside of his stats.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

I liked Tyson Chandler, Kirk Hinrich, Luol Deng, Rose, Noah, Brent Barry, Antonio Davis...all more than I liked BG.

 

[pinkizdead]

my favs are as follows rose, noah, gordon, then deng and hinrich(except for last year), noce.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

I can't believe I forgot about Andres Nocioni... he might be my favorite on there...

 

[pinkizdead]

watching noce leave was bittersweet. yeah he started chucking it, but you could tell that he had such passion for playing with the bulls. Plus no one else commits the hard fouls that he does.

 

[TheStig]

I liked Tyson Chandler, Kirk Hinrich, Luol Deng, Rose, Noah, Brent Barry, Antonio Davis...all more than I liked BG.

TC was one of my favorites too. I loved watching those two in the fourth, they were so clutch at the end of games at opposite ends.

 

[dougthonus]

I didn't exactly mean that I believe the Bulls are title contenders now. I don't think that they are yet. But I do think that they play the type of style that consistent teams need to play in order to go in that direction.

I actually think that Deng is the starter that most needs replacing. As much as I like him as a player, I believe the Bulls need a 3-pt shooting slasher in his place. One who could rebound and defend well would be ideal, as well.

How many small forwards are there in the NBA who:
Shoot 3s well
Rebound well
Defend well

There's maybe 5-6 guys in the NBA who are legitimate upgrades over a healthy Deng, maybe another 5-6 that are similar caliber players. While it might be possible to upgrade over Deng with Carmelo, any other upgrade is fairly unlikely.

Meanwhile, there are probably 20+ guards in the NBA who are significant upgrades over Ronnie Brewer. If you're upgrading this roster anywhere it's at SG, because it's by far the weakest position.

 

[dougthonus]

watching noce leave was bittersweet. yeah he started chucking it, but you could tell that he had such passion for playing with the bulls. Plus no one else commits the hard fouls that he does.

Nocioni had the lowest assist rate on the team at one point and then was complaining that no one would share the ball.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

How many small forwards are there in the NBA who:
Shoot 3s well
Rebound well
Defend well

There's maybe 5-6 guys in the NBA who are legitimate upgrades over a healthy Deng, maybe another 5-6 that are similar caliber players. While it might be possible to upgrade over Deng with Carmelo, any other upgrade is fairly unlikely.

Meanwhile, there are probably 20+ guards in the NBA who are significant upgrades over Ronnie Brewer. If you're upgrading this roster anywhere it's at SG, because it's by far the weakest position.

Well, the thing is that you would be upgrading from Deng (3rd-tier-ish player) to a guy like Anthony (borderline 1st or 2nd tier player). Ronnie Brewer also has a lot more ball-handling skills than Deng, is faster, and has about as much athleticism. I see what you're saying about finding a great 2 guard, but you have to remember that the Bulls would only benefit offensively at 2 guard if it was a Ray Allen/Rip Hamilton type of player who plays well off the ball. Combine that with the fact that the Bulls would need a 3-pt shooting 2guard to complement Deng and Rose... that severely limits yourself in that pool of SGs in which you were referring to.

 

[pinkizdead]

Nocioni had the lowest assist rate on the team at one point and then was complaining that no one would share the ball.

i dont disagree with anyone who suggest the bulls are a thousand times better w/o noce. i just felt bad for him. he truly wanted to retire as a bull, but he started chucking it a lot.

 

[pinkizdead]

rip can't shoot a 3.

 

[cubsfanmike]

Brian Scalabrine is the most underrated AND overrated NBA player...

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

rip can't shoot a 3.

Exactly my point. Name me all the NBA shooting guards out there who can
A) hit three-pointers
B) play exceptionally off-the-ball (i.e. not needing to create for himself to get good looks)
C) play good defense and slash to the rim

The reason I like the
Melo-Brewer-Rose starting perimeter

over the
Deng-(insert top 20 SG)-Rose starting perimeter

is because the Bulls already have Brewer and C.J. Watson. Adding Melo to that group is a recipe for success.