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You know why? Because this is another genius hollywood move of forcing a movie to test a non-actors market for film. Same reason that they don't show Gina Carano actually acting in the previews, cause she's not an actor. Hollywood Exec "Hey... i've got an idea, let's take that hot MMA chick and put her in a movie." Other Hollywood Exec "but she isn't an actor how can you make her the star of a hollywood film with no experience." Exec 1. "Profit?" Exec 2 "Good Point, Greenlight!"



I'd have no problem if she would have switched over and built her career. But they see her shelf life and went all in. The movie looks horrible. action action action silence action, words, silence words, action, turning point, action, lull, lull, boom. End.



When she had to speak and show emotion, I dont think she was that bad. Which further proves my point just about anyone can act well enough with limited training to be in a movie.
 

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Red State. Just because I also want to watch it. And because the Westboro Baptist Church protested the movie, so it has to be good.



I WATCHED IT!!!!



The plot was interesting and definitely was a shot at retards like the Westboro Baptist church. However there wasn't much action until the end and 85% of the movie took place in the same damn place. Luckily it was only 1H 28M long.
 

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I WATCHED IT!!!!



The plot was interesting and definitely was a shot at retards like the Westboro Baptist church. However there wasn't much action until the end and 85% of the movie took place in the same damn place. Luckily it was only 1H 28M long.



Well, Kevin Smith isn't perfect. Westboro Baptist Church is the worst.



Tonight's pick is The Expendables. There are grizzled old dudes in it, which I love. Mickey Rourke gives it an extra +5. I hope it's bad ass.
 

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Well, Kevin Smith isn't perfect. Westboro Baptist Church is the worst.



Tonight's pick is The Expendables. There are grizzled old dudes in it, which I love. Mickey Rourke gives it an extra +5. I hope it's bad ass.



Aaaaaaaaaah! I'll watch that tomorrow night. I am about 30 minutes into Limitless already! Have you seen that?
 

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Aaaaaaaaaah! I'll watch that tomorrow night. I am about 30 minutes into Limitless already! Have you seen that?



No. Is it good? I expect a full review after the viewing.
 

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No. Is it good? I expect a full review after the viewing.



AWESOME!!!



I really really enjoyed it. Lot's of unique character interaction and great plot.



I don't know how to do movie reviews... I either like them or don't.



But Mule knows that if I think it's awesome.... it most certainly is!!!!
 

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Red State was actually pretty lame and I love Kevin Smith.

Decent premise, bad execution.

Plus, I forgot to comment on this point:

If you put me in the situation like the kid who happened upon those weapons, it would have been a much shorter film. I'm tired of protagonist characters not making common sense decisions in films. If they do, they should be fodder. I understand the character arcs that people have to go through. The problem with this film is that Goodman seemed to have the only character arc that made any sense. John Goodman and Michael Parks gave some amazing performances in an average film. The first half of the film was decent, and I liked the scene at the end from Goodman.



A refreshing departure for Smith, but it still didn't hit a home run.
 

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Well, Kevin Smith isn't perfect. Westboro Baptist Church is the worst.



Tonight's pick is The Expendables. There are grizzled old dudes in it, which I love. Mickey Rourke gives it an extra +5. I hope it's bad ass.



Starting The Expendables now!
 

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Forgive me Mule for I have Mule'd. I have committed the act of Mulesphemy.



I did NOT watch The Expendables... instead, I watched "The Next Three Days"... although long, I thoroughly enjoyed it.



The end kind of pissed me off!!! I hate when loose ends aren't tied up because my imagination isn't good enough to tie them up myself.



Was a bit long, but still a good movie.
 

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Forgive me Mule for I have Mule'd. I have committed the act of Mulesphemy.



I did NOT watch The Expendables... instead, I watched "The Next Three Days"... although long, I thoroughly enjoyed it.



The end kind of pissed me off!!! I hate when loose ends aren't tied up because my imagination isn't good enough to tie them up myself.



Was a bit long, but still a good movie.



Stuliknell!



Dude!



Fine. I'll forgive you. Even though, I used to hate Paul Haggis because he wrote two of my most hated movies of all time: Million Dollar Baby and Crash, but he's been pretty cool recently, so I'll cut him some slack.
 

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Forgive me Mule for I have Mule'd. I have committed the act of Mulesphemy.



I did NOT watch The Expendables... instead, I watched "The Next Three Days"... although long, I thoroughly enjoyed it.



The end kind of pissed me off!!! I hate when loose ends aren't tied up because my imagination isn't good enough to tie them up myself.



Was a bit long, but still a good movie.



I absolutely hate when movies dont wrap themselves up and do that shit where they let you "assume" what happened. Well next time I hear a movie is like that I will just assume the plot of the movie instead of forking over money to see it.



People thing its fucking artsy, I call it lazy. The ending is often times more important than the rest of the movie, and I think when scriptwriters take this route, its simply trying to play it safe and not put in an ending that might piss people off.
 

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I absolutely hate when movies dont wrap themselves up and do that shit where they let you "assume" what happened. Well next time I hear a movie is like that I will just assume the plot of the movie instead of forking over money to see it.



People thing its fucking artsy, I call it lazy. The ending is often times more important than the rest of the movie, and I think when scriptwriters take this route, its simply trying to play it safe and not put in an ending that might piss people off.

I disagree with this.

I think departures from "the heroes journey" can be quite refreshing.

One example that comes to mind would be some of the films that John Carpenter has directed. They Live has a climax to the film, but then opens up a whole other can of worms due to it. It lets a creative mind imagine what the outcome could be, rather than it being an inept screenwriter (there are shit screenwriters out there-- and there are shit movies).

More or less, the blockbuster changed everything. It really goes to 1975 and Jaws-- and the revival of commercial cinema.

http://siskelandebert.org/video/GOMS2W8D52M9/Siskel-amp-Ebert-on-Chicago-Tonight-1998

Go to the 4:00 mark. It is wrapped up succinctly.



I have seen this problem that you pointed out with student scriptwriters. They want to get to a certain scene in a film and will sacrifice the rest of the script (quality-wise) to get to that scene. I've always said, if you have a good scene-- film it, and call it that.

I have step outlines for features I plan to write later this summer. What I will do is call 3-4 other writers and set up a workshop to help shore up holes in the writing. I think many writers do themselves a disservice by being the only eyes on their script.



Sometimes you're screwed anyway, because when a company buys the rights to your script, what you see on the screen is a 180 compared to what you originally had on paper.



I have been indoctrinated into the "style" of how you should write a film. I can sit in a room with you and tell you how 90% of films will end by the 15 minute mark.
 

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That one is high on my list to see.
I had no desire to ever see it but everyone keeps saying it was good that I'll watch it in order to reassure my taste in movies is correct and that it really was as bad as it looked.
 

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I didn't read all of what BPH said but to me movies without an ending can work very well or very poorly just like everything else. If a movie doesn't have an end, then the rest of the movie has to be strong enough to guide the viewer into creating their own ending. This ending can still be completely different from viewer to viewer but if the context of the movie is strong enough and the interpretation throughout holds the viewers hand until the end only to let go and watch them cross the street gracefully, then they've done their job. If they walk them to the curb and watch them get hit by a bus, then the movie didn't do it's job not the ending.
 

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I didn't read all of what BPH said but to me movies without an ending can work very well or very poorly just like everything else. If a movie doesn't have an end, then the rest of the movie has to be strong enough to guide the viewer into creating their own ending. This ending can still be completely different from viewer to viewer but if the context of the movie is strong enough and the interpretation throughout holds the viewers hand until the end only to let go and watch them cross the street gracefully, then they've done their job. If they walk them to the curb and watch them get hit by a bus, then the movie didn't do it's job not the ending.

I stopped reading your post after this phrase.









































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