Muhammad Ali passes away!

[FirstTimer]

I like how Ali lost to Holmes when Holmes was in his prime..in 1980, which also completely submarines Tyson's victory over Holmes 8 years later after Holmes had retired and come back only to fight Tyson for $4 million.

 

[AussieBear]

This is idiotic.

He also came back and beat Norton and Frazier twice. He lost to Holmes when Holmes was in his prime but Ali was 38 freaking years old and shouldn't have even been allowed in a ring. How are you seriously using that loss against Ali?

You claiming Ali "only really fought a handful of good fighters" is like arguing an SEC team "only beat a handful of good teams" in football at the expense of reducing Alabama and LSU and bringing up Vanderbilt.

Ali's victories over Liston, Frazier, Norton, Foreman, Patterson(the first fight) are better than any wins Tyson had. At best Tyson's win over Spink sis comparable to the Ali-Patterson victory.

im not claiming tyson has a great resume... im saying ali only really faced a handful a great fighters in their prime himself... sure you can throw out the holmes fight..thats fair.... im still taking foreman in madison square garden any day of the week

 

[AussieBear]

I like how Ali lost to Holmes when Holmes was in his prime..in 1980, which also completely submarines Tyson's victory over Holmes 8 years later after Holmes had retired and come back only to fight Tyson for $4 million.

considering how bad tysons chin is according to you... holmes should have handle his biznass

 

[FirstTimer]

considering how bad tysons chin is according to you

...Just stop.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

I guess my issue with Tyson's chin, in his prime, best we can tell is that when he finally was tested and got stood up to(by I remind you all BUSTER DOUGLAS) he kind of folded. Douglas came into that fight in spectacular shape and was a tall long boxer with power. He dominated Tyson. If Douglas could bother and knock out a prime Tyson I shudder to think what a prime Ali would have done.

I will admit that a lot of Tyson's chin issues were shown to be a problem after his prison term when he ran into guys like Lewis, Holyfield, etc but I can't imagine his chin got weaker from time off.

Douglas went into that as the fight of his life (which turned out to be true). Tyson, I don't think, really cared about that fight and it showed. Hell, his corner didn't even have a cold press that night. They had to fill a rubber glove with water and keep it somewhat cold throughout the fight.

 

[AussieBear]

Spinks spent his entire career in the light heavyweight division, before moving up to heavyweight due to the dearth of heavyweight contenders and the fact that Holmes was so beatable/fat in the mid-80's that Spinks could legitimately lay claim to the heavyweight championship as well.

not saying spinks was all that just he was undefeated.... during that run to spinks.. starting with berbick his opponents were 231-13.. and berbick and smith combined for 9 of those losses... basically 181-4 for the others... he fought the peeps that were there.... im still not saying his resume is all that though

 

[AussieBear]

...Just stop.

stop what.. holmes fought 14 more years after tyson....

 

[FirstTimer]

stop what.. holmes fought 14 more years after tyson....

That speaks to the laughable weakness of the HW division as well as the fact that Holmes was flat broke and essentially turned himself into a jobber for cable TV boxing matches.

How is Holmes fighting for 14 years after Tyson relevant to Holmes not being in his prime when he fought Tyson?

Yeah, Holmes fought for a long time after Tyson...he also retired on and off. That doesn't mean Tyson beat an anywhere near prime Holmes or the victory was "impressive".

 

[AussieBear]

That speaks to the laughable weakness of the HW division as well as the fact that Holmes was flat broke and essentially turned himself into a jobber for cable TV boxing matches.

How is Holmes fighting for 14 years after Tyson relevant to Holmes not being in his prime when he fought Tyson?

Yeah, Holmes fought for a long time after Tyson...he also retired on and off. That doesn't mean Tyson beat an anywhere near prime Holmes or the victory was "impressive".

whos saying its impressive...

 

[AussieBear]

anyway.. talking boxing eras is like debating what era rock is the best..... im mean shit... norton never fought anyone til he stepped in the ring with ali.... technically norton wasnt shit then eh...

i love boxing though..

 

[Warrior Spirit]

for sake of argument..

ali, norton, frazier, foreman, and tyson all have one thing in common...... they have all been beaten and in their defeats they have all been ko'd at least once.. tyson will always have a punchers chance...

Ali was never knocked out. Had one fight stopped by his corner after his health and mental problems already began at the tail end of his career. Foreman was only knocked out by the greatest ever. That's 1 time in over 80 fights he had. Frazier only knocked out by Foreman and stopped by Ali. Tyson knocked out several times and all but Lewis were bums.

 

[SilenceS]

Watch film. I also linked a complete breakdown of styles. Ali doesnt praise Tyson just for fun. It would have been a war.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

Watch film. I also linked a complete breakdown of styles. Ali doesnt praise Tyson just for fun. It would have been a war.

You don't know Ali. A very humble man after his retirement and illness. Yes, he does praise Tyson just for fun and to be nice.

 

[FirstTimer]

Watch film. I also linked a complete breakdown of styles. Ali doesnt praise Tyson just for fun. It would have been a war.

I'd love to watch film of Tyson beating someone when they were worth a shit.....

Please direct me to said film.

It would have been a "war" in the way that it was a "war" when Germany rolled through France in 1940.

 

[SilenceS]

You don't know Ali. A very humble man after his retirement and illness. Yes, he does praise Tyson just for fun and to be nice.

So, you have more information on Ali than I do? Did he invite you over to dinner?

 

[SilenceS]

I'd love to watch film of Tyson beating someone when they were worth a shit.....

Please direct me to said film.

It would have been a "war" in the way that it was a "war" when Germany rolled through France in 1940.

So, you basically wont give him any credit because he didnt fight anyone you deemed worthy.

 

[SilenceS]

Posted again so you can see and read.

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/a-brutally-honest-look-at-mike-tyson-versus-muhammad-ali

 

[FirstTimer]

So, you basically wont give him any credit because he didnt fight anyone you deemed worthy.

Sorry, how else is he supposed to get "credit"?

 

[Warrior Spirit]

So, you have more information on Ali than I do? Did he invite you over to dinner?

I was a huge fan. Saw his fights, movies, documentaries. Learned a lot about him and others who fought in his era.

 

[FirstTimer]

Posted again so you can see and read.

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/a-brutally-honest-look-at-mike-tyson-versus-muhammad-ali

Already addressed this hilarious shit.

"My favorite part of the article Silence posted was showing the strategy Tyson would have used against Ali by showing that it worked vs a bunch of tomato cans.

It's like reviewing film of the MAC champions conference schedule and explaining why the strategy would work against the New England Patriots. "