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Frazier, Norton, or Foreman would have decapitated Tyson. One of the weakest parts of Tyson's boxing was his jaw. Against a power puncher of any of those three's class Tyson would be toast.
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Frazier, Norton, or Foreman would have decapitated Tyson. One of the weakest parts of Tyson's boxing was his jaw. Against a power puncher of any of those three's class Tyson would be toast.
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i wouldnt say tysons chin was his weakness.... his will/stamina/mental perhaps... its not like his jaw was glass.. go back and watch the pre prison fights vs razor for example..solid chin..... normally he got beat down and was out of gas before getting knocked out...
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Compared to other elite heavyweights..Tyson's chin was average at best.
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im not saying tysons chin is elite.. but its above avg.. watch post prison holyfield... shit tyson took a beating...
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Side tangent here...but Jesus, look at those names that Tyson built his resume off of.... And we are sitting here discussing him against Ali?
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My favorite part of the article Silence posted was showing the strategy Tyson would have used against Ali by showing that it worked vs a bunch of tomato cans.
It's like reviewing film of the MAC champions conference schedule and explaining why the strategy would work against the New England Patriots.
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yeah young tyson is different than post prison tyson for sure
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nah the point was you were saying his chin was weak
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No, I said: "Compared to other elite heavyweights..Tyson's chin was average at best."
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One of the weakest parts of Tyson's boxing was his jaw - firsttimer
but okay.... i guess you werent saying that...
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for sake of argument..
ali, norton, frazier, foreman, and tyson all have one thing in common...... they have all been beaten and in their defeats they have all been ko'd at least once.. tyson will always have a punchers chance...
ali, norton, frazier, foreman, and tyson all have one thing in common...... they have all been beaten and in their defeats they have all been ko'd at least once.. tyson will always have a punchers chance...
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I already covered this...
Ali's win resume reads like a bunch of first ballot boxing hall of fame inductees. The argument for Tyson beating Ali is basically Tyson could punch hard and might get lucky and catch Ali.
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I guess my issue with Tyson's chin, in his prime, best we can tell is that when he finally was tested and got stood up to(by I remind you all BUSTER DOUGLAS) he kind of folded. Douglas came into that fight in spectacular shape and was a tall long boxer with power. He dominated Tyson. If Douglas could bother and knock out a prime Tyson I shudder to think what a prime Ali would have done.
I will admit that a lot of Tyson's chin issues were shown to be a problem after his prison term when he ran into guys like Lewis, Holyfield, etc but I can't imagine his chin got weaker from time off.
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spinks was undefeated when tyson destroyed him and ended his career... but i hear ya..
id take foreman over ali on the greatest heavyweight list........even though ali beat foreman. however, they never fought again for a reason....ali wanted nothing to do with him... if the fight was indoor or a cooler climate and not in the congo.. it probably would have been a different fight imo
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ali fought a few good guys and some other good guys past their prime.... liston and foreman were both in their primes when he beat them and those were probably his best wins imo..... however he lost to norton, frazier and holmes in their primes... sure he avenged two of those... but still... patterson was past his prime... moore was too.. ali really only fought handful a good fighters himself..
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Spinks was also 32 years old and mainly a light HW during his career.
As for you taking Foreman over Ali...whatever. Even George Foreman would laugh at you for saying that.
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foreman pursued a rematch and ali kept dancing... this much is true.... rope a dope... yeah ok... more like the congo heat and humidity....
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This is idiotic.
He also came back and beat Norton and Frazier twice. He lost to Holmes when Holmes was in his prime but Ali was 38 freaking years old and shouldn't have even been allowed in a ring. How are you seriously using that loss against Ali?
You claiming Ali "only really fought a handful of good fighters" is like arguing an SEC team "only beat a handful of good teams" in football at the expense of reducing Alabama and LSU and bringing up Vanderbilt.
Ali's victories over Liston, Frazier, Norton, Foreman, Patterson(the first fight) are better than any wins Tyson had. At best Tyson's win over Spink sis comparable to the Ali-Patterson victory.