MVP watch...face the facts gentlemen...

[Glide2keva]

Going to the OP's decision on LBJ.

I said my piece on how I feel about the award. It is what it is, debatable among sports fans.

With that said, even with LBJ performaces, what puts him head and shoulders above Rose? 3 more points a game? 2 more rebounds? His ability to get along with another MVP and future HOF'er in wade?

Without back-tracking, through 10 pages of arguments to find what the OP puts out as his reasoning, if it was even put out there, what puts LBJ ahead of the league, aside from: He is killing it? :thinking:

His whole point is that lebron should not be penalized for playing with Wade, or for having won it two years in a row.

Also, his point is that he's right and everyone with a differing opinion to his "facts" are completely wrong and don't know anything about basketball.

That pretty much sums it up.

 

[houheffna]

Going to the OP's decision on LBJ.

I said my piece on how I feel about the award. It is what it is, debatable among sports fans.

With that said, even with LBJ performaces, what puts him head and shoulders above Rose? 3 more points a game? 2 more rebounds? His ability to get along with another MVP and future HOF'er in wade?

Without back-tracking, through 10 pages of arguments to find what the OP puts out as his reasoning, if it was even put out there, what puts LBJ ahead of the league, aside from: He is killing it? :thinking:

James has had outstanding performances, hence the phrasing "killing it"...he is the best player in the league, by quite a sizable margin. I thought his game would be inhibited to a certain extent by Wade...but he continues to play at the same high level as he did in Cleveland. Watching him play...he is on another level from anyone else in the league performance wise...

Its more than points per game or assists or whatever...I think he is an alltime great player skill wise and I see him continuing to get better and making adjustments to his game.

 

[houheffna]

His whole point is that lebron should not be penalized for playing with Wade, or for having won it two years in a row.

Also, his point is that he's right and everyone with a differing opinion to his "facts" are completely wrong and don't know anything about basketball.

That pretty much sums it up.

The first part is definitely my point, the second is sanctimonious b.s. that you seem to be really good at spewing. Try to bring something coherent to the conversation, instead of being some playground instigator...for crying out loud...

 

[Fredsmooth21]

I don't think lebron should be penalized for playing with wade and for winning the award in the past. With that said, I don't think he should win the award for simply being the best player in the league either. If the award was Most Outstanding Player, Or NBA's Best Player then I'd give it to him and not think twice. But the award is for Most Valuable Player. To me that is how valuable is that player to his team. I don't think he's more valuable to the heat than Derrick Rose is to the Bulls. Say LeBron never even went to the heat and it was just bosh and wade. They're still a playoff team. Take Rose off the Bulls and they wouldn't get a sniff of the playoffs. LeBron is still valuable in that the heat with are contenders in the conference and not just a playoff team.

Just depends on your definition of the award. It's hasn't been clearly defined by the NBA.

 

[houheffna]

I don't think lebron should be penalized for playing with wade and for winning the award in the past. With that said, I don't think he should win the award for simply being the best player in the league. If the award was Most Outstanding Player, Or NBA's Best Player then I'd give it to him and not think twice. But the award is for Most Valuable Player. To me that is how valuable is that player to his team. I don't think he's more valuable to the heat than Derrick Rose is to the Bulls. Say LeBron never even went to the heat and it was just bosh and wade. They're still a playoff team. Take Rose off the Bulls and they wouldn't get a sniff of the playoffs. LeBron is still valuable in that the heat with are contenders in the conference and not just a playoff team.

Just depends on your definition of the award. It's hasn't been clearly defined by the NBA.

It is because the line has been blurred at times by politics. I remember a guy in Chicago named Lacy Banks who wouldn't vote for Garnett because he could be rude to the media, this was the year Garnett won the award. I used to think the IBM Award which was given to the player who statistically did the most for his team from a percentage standpoint was the better representative of who was most valuable. Jordan won that award twice, including his rookie season. David Robinson would win the award 5 times. However, that award only covered the statistics, which is only part of the value we are speaking about.

It is an inexact science.

 

[Glide2keva]

The first part is definitely my point, the second is sanctimonious b.s. that you seem to be really good at spewing. Try to bring something coherent to the conversation, instead of being some playground instigator...for crying out loud...

So you mean you haven't argued everyone down with a differing opinion with your "facts"?

I thought I was summing up your posts so he wouldn't have to go through the whole process of reading it all. I was helping you out. What's sanctimonious about that?

#kanyeshrug

 

[Glide2keva]

It is because the line has been blurred at times by politics. I remember a guy in Chicago named Lacy Banks who wouldn't vote for Garnett because he could be rude to the media, this was the year Garnett won the award. I used to think the IBM Award which was given to the player who statistically did the most for his team from a percentage standpoint was the better representative of who was most valuable. Jordan won that award twice, including his rookie season. David Robinson would win the award 5 times. However, that award only covered the statistics, which is only part of the value we are speaking about.

It is an inexact science.

Lacy Banks was an idiot though and too full of himself. I used to like his articles, but then he started putting his own personal opinions in them too much to the point it became as unreadable as the enquirer

 

[houheffna]

Lacy Banks was an idiot though and too full of himself. I used to like his articles, but then he started putting his own personal opinions in them too much to the point it became as unreadable as the enquirer

All I remember about him is that he thought Kareem was the greatest player ever...which is not far fetched...and he now has brain cancer...and he is a baptist minister...actually saw him preach on television once. But that was my point about the award being political. I just want whoever deserves the award to get it. When Lebron went on the unforgettable ego trip over the summer, people in the media started to tout Durant as the next golden child. Many of them are still dissatisfied with Lebron. Sam Smith told the story about Lebron and the parking garage when he was with the Cavs. He just doesn't look good, and it might take a while for that to wear off.

 

[Glide2keva]

Well, that's the problem with having the media vote for these awards. If it was strictly to NBA people, most of them would vote for Rose.

The media has too much bias in it. Fans will only vote for their favorite player, not the most deserving.

And the whole Durant thing was based on the WBC this summer, not really about the lebron backlash. They pre-maturely crowned him MVP, which was a bit unfair, but they quickly backed off of that when Derrick Rose was killing the game early in the season.

Rose hasn't looked back and is earning his hype and MVP talk, unlike past players who the media determined it was between two guys from the start in like 09 or so.

 

[houheffna]

Well, that's the problem with having the media vote for these awards. If it was strictly to NBA people, most of them would vote for Rose.

The media has too much bias in it. Fans will only vote for their favorite player, not the most deserving.

And the whole Durant thing was based on the WBC this summer, not really about the lebron backlash. They pre-maturely crowned him MVP, which was a bit unfair, but they quickly backed off of that when Derrick Rose was killing the game early in the season.

Rose hasn't looked back and is earning his hype and MVP talk, unlike past players who the media determined it was between two guys from the start in like 09 or so.

Who are "NBA People"?

 

[Glide2keva]

Who are "NBA People"?

Coaches, GM's, people like that.

 

[Fredsmooth21]

-I wouldn't mind seeing the coaches/players vote for their league MVP. Whatever the case just leave the fans out of it. Most of the fans are idiots. just look at the all-star voting.

-I think Durant being so popular and people saying he was the MVP was his play in the WBC, but some of it also had to do with LeBron. He was basically the anti-LeBron. He resigned with his team and announced it on Twitter. He didn't make a spectical of it. That's why people loved him. Think about it, LeBron made people who used to hate Kobe actually like him.

 

[Crystallas]

-I wouldn't mind seeing the coaches/players vote for their league MVP. Whatever the case just leave the fans out of it. Most of the fans are idiots. just look at the all-star voting.

Bah, who would be satisfied, regardless? I don't think the fan vote is the flaw. I think the rules behind the fan vote needs to be adjusted, but regardless, coaches still voted in 4 Celtics. I mean, really, we wont be satisfied with the outcome regardless. Whether it be an MVP vote, all star vote, all-1st/2nd/3rd team ect...hell, any award.

If the NBA can add a rule to the fan vote that only allows qualified players to be voted for(and set a fair criteria), then we wont have the whole Chinese cyberstorm mess on our hands to vote in players who have a larger market in a crushing population move. The coaches are biased, the writers are biased, and fans are biased. You can't win.

 

[Fredsmooth21]

Bah, who would be satisfied, regardless? I don't think the fan vote is the flaw. I think the rules behind the fan vote needs to be adjusted, but regardless, coaches still voted in 4 Celtics. I mean, really, we wont be satisfied with the outcome regardless. Whether it be an MVP vote, all star vote, all-1st/2nd/3rd team ect...hell, any award.

If the NBA can add a rule to the fan vote that only allows qualified players to be voted for(and set a fair criteria), then we wont have the whole Chinese cyberstorm mess on our hands to vote in players who have a larger market in a crushing population move. The coaches are biased, the writers are biased, and fans are biased. You can't win.

my suggestion wouldn't be just coaches. It'd be players and GMs as well as someone had suggested. Fans turn into a popularity contest more than anything else. I'll pass

 

[houheffna]

Coaches, GM's, people like that.

I think the coaches and GMs can be biased too. Look at who the coaches selected in the allstar game...I already spoke of the Tim duncan thing earlier...no system is flawless.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

LaMarcus Aldridge and Tony Parker have legitimate beef for not being All-Stars.

I honestly don't think Kevin Love is a better player than (1) Durant, (2) Paul, (3) Bryant, (4) Deron Williams, (5) Anthony, (6) Nowitzki, (7) Griffin, (8) Gasol, (9) Ginobili, (10) Westbrook, (11) Parker, (12) Aldridge...

I think that Duncan has really deteriorated over the course of the season, and I can definitely see why someone would say Love deserves it more than him, but I would still take Duncan over Love in the All-Star game.

I can't blame Popovich for making Duncan the starter either. Do we really expect him to name Gasol the starter? Or another rival, Dirk? Or Griffin? Especially when the Spurs already get overlooked by the national spotlight all the time... I say let Duncan start in what could like be his final All-Star game. He's the closest thing to a center on that roster anyway.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

And since I am already in the MVP topic, Charles Barkley just went on PTI and said that LeBron is the best player, but Derrick Rose is the MVP of the league right now because they are only 2 games back and because of Noah and Boozer combining to miss at least 40 games between them.

I'm not saying it's true just because Chuck said it... but I think he makes a pretty good point.

 

[houheffna]

And since I am already in the MVP topic, Charles Barkley just went on PTI and said that LeBron is the best player, but Derrick Rose is the MVP of the league right now because they are only 2 games back and because of Noah and Boozer combining to miss at least 40 games between them.

I'm not saying it's true just because Chuck said it... but I think he makes a pretty good point.

He has been high on the Bulls all year...and that might explain why he would win the MVP in 1993...

 

[Fredsmooth21]

And since I am already in the MVP topic, Charles Barkley just went on PTI and said that LeBron is the best player, but Derrick Rose is the MVP of the league right now because they are only 2 games back and because of Noah and Boozer combining to miss at least 40 games between them.

I'm not saying it's true just because Chuck said it... but I think he makes a pretty good point.

Pretty much agree with chuck and said pretty much the same thing earlier. I think Barkley and I agree on the definition of MVP.

 

[Glide2keva]

I agree with Chuck too, and a lot of other media guys have said the exact same thing.