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Does anything think Rein$dorf, Paxson or Forman will answer questions about the Gordon situation? A press conference, a radio interview, a sit down with a local tv station. It would be highly doubtful.
 

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houheffna wrote:
I have watched Johnson play, and I have watched Gordon play...Gordon is worse defensively. Do you think Paxson looks at those damn stats you come up with? They let Gordon go so evidently not.

Wow Mr NBA Scout! I guess because you watched them both your the judge, jury & executioner. The only thing that got executed today was our 2010 playoff run
 

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Does anything think Rein$dorf, Paxson or Forman will answer questions about the Gordon situation? A press conference, a radio interview, a sit down with a local tv station. It would be highly doubtful.

"Move along! Nothing to see here" typical sweep the dirt under the carpet

Then again JR had the nerve to diss Horace Grant when he left so who knows
 

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i kinda like carney. he's a got good speed etc.
 

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houheffna wrote:
I have watched Johnson play, and I have watched Gordon play...Gordon is worse defensively. Do you think Paxson looks at those damn stats you come up with? They let Gordon go so evidently not.

Out of the players who played more than 398 games in the NBA, 544 have a better total of defensive win shares than Gordon....Joe Johnson isn't one of them.

Out of guys who have played 398 or less career NBA games (the amount Gordon played), only 14 guys in NBA history since I believe 1980, have had more defensive win shares than Gordon.

Apply the same to Johnson's 623 career games or less, and you have 132 players who had a better DWS total than Johnson.

What's this say about Gordon and Johnson?

I don't know how anyone could consider Joe Johnson a good defender. He's tall, but a terrible defender.
That there should be Astrix next to BG's win share for playing with Chandler and Wallace. I mean since then his defense improved but his dws went down a lot. While JJ has played half his career for the 7 second suns that played no D and the hawks who play ok D.
 

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Good god! Had the chance to get rid of Kirk instead they keep him & let Ben walk. Redicolous!

that's the biggest bulls..t they did in Paxson's career, even more stupid then signing Ben Wallace!
 

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Could of easily traded Kirk as he good value around the league and good amount of interest

Which is the key thing I've been saying all along: they'd rather keep guys who have trade value, flexibility is key. They've chosen to let Gordon walk not because they're cheap (although I'm sure the money saving is gravy), they're doing it because they don't want him on a contract they can't trade down the line.
 

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houheffna wrote:
Johnson was there 3 option kinda like last resort

Team was built around him, they bought Bibby there for him, Johnson was the franchise player.


But he's a worse scorer. And he is a worse defender by every metric. His career D-Rtg is 3 worse than Gordon, and Gordon somehow managed to have 0.3 more career defensive win shares than Johnson, despite playing in 225 less career games.

Johnson is a better rebounder and passer. Gordon is a better scorer and defender.

I'll take the better scorer and defender at the shooting guard position, over the bestter rebounder and passer. But that's just me...especially when the former comes at half the price of the latter.

Gordon is not a better defender than Johnson...Johnson is also a better ballhandler than Gordon. Johnson can actually play PG if he had to. He is a better player. Stats don't tell the whole story...believe me.

I believe....that you are a jackass. We just let a "sure thing" walk, that we had on our team, for the CHANCE.....a ittsy bittsy chance to sign Joe Johnson. I don't care if Joe is better or not, I personally believe overall he is, but what if we don't get Joe? What then? Odds are Joe, or Wade or whoever, resigns with their team, or doesnt goes somewhere else (like Miami, who will have 30 more wins than us this season).!

Does anyone realize we have been looking for a star post guy for 4 years! What makes us think because we want something to happen that it will. What makes us think that free agensts are going to choose Chicago over any other team? 85% chance you just let Gordon walk for nothing and this goes down as one of the dumbest moves in history. All this for $1 million a year (sorry $2 million a year with luxury tax). It's insane....
 

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like Miami, who will have 30 more wins than us this season

Don't be ridiculous, Miami was a 43 win team last year, we were a 41 win team. The difference between having and not having Gordon is not anywhere close to 28 games.

85% chance you just let Gordon walk for nothing and this goes down as one of the dumbest moves in history.

And if we don't take a chance at that 15% people complain that the GM plays it safe and never takes risks.
 

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like Miami, who will have 30 more wins than us this season


You know what? Gotta quote Boers on this one "you are basketball Special person".

The fact that you have a damn podcast is criminal. If you think this team will lose 30 games because of Gordon, you are a goofball, the fact that you are sitting here crying like a ***** and dedicating songs to a decent player at best, is so damn silly its ridiculous. My point to you is to quit acting like a ***** on the rag over a decision that makes total sense for what they want to do. Now you tell me, they sign Gordon to 12mil and Wade or Johnson wants to come here, who is going to take on that dumbass contract? Let Detroit take Gordon and Charlie V aka Terry Mills and wish them the best. Or keep crying like a little ***** and calling people petty names you would not say in their face because you know you would get curb stomped.

So be a man and put a pad on it to stop the blood...*****
 

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man, even if not everything that he says is right, that doesn't mean you have to ***** at him for everything he says. at least he has the man to put out his podcasting work to people who WILL criticize him. while all you can do is discount every stat ever made because logic makes you look like an idiot. if you want to put out your opinion, great. just don't criticize everyone else because they have emotions.
 

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I think it is sad for people like him who is in the position he is in, to resort to name calling and acting silly. This was all initiated by him, over Ben Gordon. I call people's opinions idiotic, but I don't call people on here out of there name. I have shown complete respect, even when angered.

I have shown him and everyone else respect. But I don't like being disrespected, so I defend myself. If you don't see what is going on here, you are blind.

Stats are deceiving, I have told you that countless times. Sorry if you don't see that. Statistical integrity, I guarantee Reinsdorf and Paxson knows what that means...it is good business to know what that means.

I don't mind being criticized, and I never resorted to childish name calling in the past because it is childish. But I don't like being talked to like a child either. Why is it I can disagree with Kush and Doug and we can agree to disagree, but this guy whines like a *****?

And people like you who stand up for this garbage, its useless. Present your case and debate the issues, then move on with your life. I disagree with people on here obviously all the time. And for that you got people like DPauley and TheStig saying crap like "throw him off the forum"...what the hell man?

When an argument goes so far, I try to say "well we should agree to disagree" and leave it at that. But I don't usually name call.

I have a friend who is white, conservative, and compares Obama to Hitler, I am black, liberal, and proud of our president. Though I thought his comments incendiary, I see no need to engage in personal attacks, I told him that his Obama/Hitler analogy was stupid and I kept it moving. The same with Kush, Doug and some others on here who I think give worthwhile, intelligent opinions. I think there are some credible fans on this forum, that is what I initially enjoyed. People who forced me with their argument to look at things from their perspective. Not hard to do. To me, some of the people on here have done nothing but antagonize anyone who disagrees with the podcast guys.
 

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houheffna wrote:
I have shown him and everyone else respect. But I don't like being disrespected, so I defend myself. If you don't see what is going on here, you are blind.

you seriously just said you show me respect and then you call me blind a couple words later?

houheffna wrote:
Stats are deceiving, I have told you that countless times. Sorry if you don't see that. Statistical integrity, I guarantee Reinsdorf and Paxson knows what that means...it is good business to know what that means.
but stats mean SOMETHING. if d-wade didn't average 30 a game, would people think he's good? of course not. stats mean SOMETHING.

houheffna wrote:
I don't mind being criticized, and I never resorted to childish name calling in the past because it is childish. But I don't like being talked to like a child either. Why is it I can disagree with Kush and Doug and we can agree to disagree, but this guy whines like a *****?
ok, you've heard the bullseye show, they're more raw emotion than the other podcasts. of course this is how it is talking to them in real life. and that's just another perspective.

houheffna wrote:
And people like you who stand up for this garbage, its useless. Present your case and debate the issues, then move on with your life. I disagree with people on here obviously all the time. And for that you got people like DPauley and TheStig saying crap like "throw him off the forum"...what the hell man?
i agree with what you said about DPauley and TheStig, because you can't throw people off of places for having differing opinions. but you've got to try to not talk to people like they're inferior as much as we do.

houheffna wrote:
When an argument goes so far, I try to say "well we should agree to disagree" and leave it at that. But I don't usually name call.
man, you might not see it, but you sometimes do go over the line to insult people's thoughts.

houheffna wrote:
I have a friend who is white, conservative, and compares Obama to Hitler, I am black, liberal, and proud of our president. Though I thought his comments incendiary, I see no need to engage in personal attacks, I told him that his Obama/Hitler analogy was stupid and I kept it moving. The same with Kush, Doug and some others on here who I think give worthwhile, intelligent opinions. I think there are some credible fans on this forum, that is what I initially enjoyed. People who forced me with their argument to look at things from their perspective. Not hard to do. To me, some of the people on here have done nothing but antagonize anyone who disagrees with the podcast guys.
that's their opnion. if they want to back it up, fine. maybe the norm on this board is different than the local media. it's a new perspective, and if you listen to their opinion, they'll listen to yours.
 

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Your arguments have no real factual backing & dont make sense. While i agree maybe some have come on a bit harsh, maybe due to the wound of BG officially leaving being fresh, I've got to say you're just simply a hater. Theres nothing Ben Gordon could've showed you to change your mind. It seems you made your mind up from the get go & no amount of proof or factual backing would change that. Is it simply because he is 6'2"?

Bottom line your arguments dont make sense & are frustrating to have to see on an otherwise intelligent forum. I think your arguments belong on the end of one of Sam Smith's columns with the rest of the drones.

Maybe you're not a bad person but its hard to tolerate your posts
 

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Bottom line your arguments dont make sense & are frustrating to have to see on an otherwise intelligent forum. I think your arguments belong on the end of one of Sam Smith's columns with the rest of the drones.

What I have said is basic and my opinion.

I said Gordon is a good scorer, a great streak shooter, but we needed more size and defense in the backcourt. That is what was said a few years back when people were saying get a SG in the draft. What has changed since then? We still have the same issues. Paying 11,12 mil for Gordon is too much.

I think that anyone who thinks that all you need is Bosh to win a championship is delusional. Bosh is not enough to get pass Lebron or Howard.

This team is not close to a championship team, so they are rebuilding the team.

Reinsdorf, is a good owner who has shown loyalty to players and other employees for the duration of his time in Chicago. No one on here is mentioning what he has done for Randy Brown...very few would do what he did.


Now which of these points do you disagree with?

I am going to refrain from trading insults with you and actually read your opinions.
 

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houheffna wrote:
Bottom line your arguments dont make sense & are frustrating to have to see on an otherwise intelligent forum. I think your arguments belong on the end of one of Sam Smith's columns with the rest of the drones.

What I have said is basic and my opinion.

I said Gordon is a good scorer, a great streak shooter, but we needed more size and defense in the backcourt. That is what was said a few years back when people were saying get a SG in the draft. What has changed since then? We still have the same issues. Paying 11,12 mil for Gordon is too much.

I think that anyone who thinks that all you need is Bosh to win a championship is delusional. Bosh is not enough to get pass Lebron or Howard.

This team is not close to a championship team, so they are rebuilding the team.

Reinsdorf, is a good owner who has shown loyalty to players and other employees for the duration of his time in Chicago. No one on here is mentioning what he has done for Randy Brown...very few would do what he did.


Now which of these points do you disagree with?

I am going to refrain from trading insults with you and actually read your opinions.

Bosh, with Gordon may have been enough to get us past Cavs or at least compete. But now we'll never know

I agree that JR has done some loyal things for SOME players, but to allow your leading scorer to leave, when you could've had him (even if you wanted to trade him) on a CHEAP CONTRACT that could've easily been moved, just because of some deadline was ridiculous & has made it harder for us to either draw other good players like Bosh to us or to trade for them (you dont think Toronto would consider getting BG in a sign & trade for Bosh as well as someone else may have been a good enough deal for them to consider????)

JR has also screwed over some previous employee's, & the fact that Jordan wasnt even allowed to enter the partnership, considering he made the Bulls what they are today, is another disservice to players who served him well

Ben was professional & went often beyond the call of dutie even up until a few weeks ago helping the camp the bulls had run. Instead of being appreciated he was treated like a turd by JR, as have the fans been in this situation. Its almost enough to question what kind of team we're following here.
 

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Sorry Gordon fans, I know you're upset, I'm not a Gordon fan or Hinrich fan, but when you a have a chance to get a team to give you more talent than Hinrich is worth, you cash that check, If I had a choice between the 2, I would want to drive Hinrich to the Greyhound station
 

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Bosh, with Gordon may have been enough to get us past Cavs or at least compete. But now we'll never know

You think Gordon and Bosh could be Lebron? :laugh:

I agree that JR has done some loyal things for SOME players, but to allow your leading scorer to leave, when you could've had him (even if you wanted to trade him) on a CHEAP CONTRACT that could've easily been moved, just because of some deadline was ridiculous & has made it harder for us to either draw other good players like Bosh to us or to trade for them (you dont think Toronto would consider getting BG in a sign & trade for Bosh as well as someone else may have been a good enough deal for them to consider????)
No, I don't think Toronto would have taken on BG's contract. They are not trading Bosh until the trade deadline, so it seems. And what makes you think Gordon wants to play in Toronto?

JR has also screwed over some previous employee's, & the fact that Jordan wasnt even allowed to enter the partnership, considering he made the Bulls what they are today, is another disservice to players who served him well

What? Jordan got paid to do what he did. Reinsdorf does not owe him anything! He gave him a retired number and a statue. And don't you think Jordan would want some control if he owns part of the organization? No thanks.

JR has also screwed over some previous employee's, & the fact that Jordan wasnt even allowed to enter the partnership, considering he made the Bulls what they are today, is another disservice to players who served him well

JR doesn't have time to host campfires and sing "Kumbayah". He is running a business. Gordon running a camp does not mean you pay him 11mil a year for 5 or 6 years.

So there you have it, I could say your arguments don't make sense, but I don't have to put you down to make my points. I don't believe you believe alot of what you wrote.

In the words of William Shakespeare: This above all: to thine own self be true...

I feel good about how I feel because its how I feel.

So I don't have to call people out of their names who disagree with me. I just state my case. I don't to put down other people's posts, I post what I feel and let the chips fall, you should do the same.
 

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houheffna wrote:
Bosh, with Gordon may have been enough to get us past Cavs or at least compete. But now we'll never know

You think Gordon and Bosh could be Lebron? :laugh:

I agree that JR has done some loyal things for SOME players, but to allow your leading scorer to leave, when you could've had him (even if you wanted to trade him) on a CHEAP CONTRACT that could've easily been moved, just because of some deadline was ridiculous & has made it harder for us to either draw other good players like Bosh to us or to trade for them (you dont think Toronto would consider getting BG in a sign & trade for Bosh as well as someone else may have been a good enough deal for them to consider????)
No, I don't think Toronto would have taken on BG's contract. They are not trading Bosh until the trade deadline, so it seems. And what makes you think Gordon wants to play in Toronto?

JR has also screwed over some previous employee's, & the fact that Jordan wasnt even allowed to enter the partnership, considering he made the Bulls what they are today, is another disservice to players who served him well

What? Jordan got paid to do what he did. Reinsdorf does not owe him anything! He gave him a retired number and a statue. And don't you think Jordan would want some control if he owns part of the organization? No thanks.

JR has also screwed over some previous employee's, & the fact that Jordan wasnt even allowed to enter the partnership, considering he made the Bulls what they are today, is another disservice to players who served him well

JR doesn't have time to host campfires and sing "Kumbayah". He is running a business. Gordon running a camp does not mean you pay him 11mil a year for 5 or 6 years.

So there you have it, I could say your arguments don't make sense, but I don't have to put you down to make my points. I don't believe you believe alot of what you wrote.

In the words of William Shakespeare: This above all: to thine own self be true...

I feel good about how I feel because its how I feel.

So I don't have to call people out of their names who disagree with me. I just state my case. I don't to put down other people's posts, I post what I feel and let the chips fall, you should do the same.

Geeeezzuuusss. You cant even read.

I never ever said Ben or Bosh could be Lebron. They could help us compete & possibly beat Lebron, if we had Rose & other suppporting cast around the trio. As someone said in a podcast recently, you need a batman & 2 robins to win usually. Rose is batman, Gordon was a robin, & bosh definately is a robin. Thats a team that has a chance.

Regardless if Ben wanted to play in Toronto or not, if he was locked into 54 over 6 years last summer unless there was some kind of "BG must agree to trade" clause then he would have no choice. I didnt say trading BG for bosh straight away. But its a piece you can use at a good price to trade for someone else you find equally or perhaps more talented.

You're the most frustrating poster here simply because you seem to have trouble reading, or comprehending most peoples posts & your views are never substantiated with any factual proof or statistics. Now that you're putting words into my mouth makes it worse
 

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