NFL Draft - Day 1

[CaliBearFan]

I tend to agree with you only because I was over the moon about tommie harris and he pretty much only gave us 2 good years. I am not saying that anyone should compare Harris and Carter, just that I don’t believe in our ever getting a long-term DT ever again

At the time he was drafted, an NFL exec was quoted as saying that Harris had the body of a 35 year old in terms of injuries and breaking down. I don't think he was ever expected to have a long career.

 

[KittiesKorner]

At the time he was drafted, an NFL exec was quoted as saying that Harris had the body of a 35 year old in terms of injuries and breaking down. I don't think he was ever expected to have a long career.

Ok thanks. Let me just say how much i enjoyed his play in 2005-6 and then that’s all she wrote. Angelo also gave him a mammoth extension in 2008 after he was already clearly fucked.

You win the scouting report pissing contest but maybe you can see your way through to understanding why my point was that jalen carter wouldn’t have been worth it

 

[CaliBearFan]

Ok thanks. Let me just say how much i enjoyed his play in 2005-6 and then that’s all she wrote. Angelo also gave him a mammoth extension in 2008 after he was already clearly fucked.

You win the scouting report pissing contest but maybe you can see your way through to understanding why my point was that jalen carter wouldn’t have been worth it

No contest. I was sharing info. Look at how long Suh's career has been. If Carter matures and buys in I don't see any reason to think he can't dominate the line for a decade. If Poles believed in Carter I would have loved him as the pick but if they had any doubts than Wright was my first choice.

Harris did give us some great moments and was part of a legendary defense and to your point can't be blamed for signing a bad contract for the Bears.

 

[legendxofxlink]

Why did Lions draft a RB2 and a poor man’s Jack Sanborn in the first round?.. seriously, the 2 biggest wtf picks were by the same team… is Phil Emery over there?

 

[playthrough2001]

Would this work for the next four picks?

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

I am not crying.

I am just stating that, if they had drafted Broderick instead of Wright, they would have had that starter level LT who could move from RT to LT in case of an injury to Braxton.

This is reality, no matter what you want to believe.

I have already said that I like the pick. I just don't love it.

This is just dumb shit. Again you don’t draft a player based on hypothetical injury situations. You draft a player to be the best at his position. Bears felt Wright will be a better RT then Jones would be a LT. Simple as that. Leave it alone.

 

[Spitta Andretti]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1651902126749040642

More dick ripping incoming lol

 

[ZOMBIE@CTESPN]

No Carter fell to him because the Bears and the other 8 teams ahead of the Eagles clearly did not want to draft Carter.

And yes someone could have beaten the offer but Poles obviously didnt want to risk losing Wright. Like I 100% would have traded down but all that matters is whether Wright ends up good or not. Crying about it now makes no sense.

Idt they end up with wright if they would have traded down further. It’s been known for weeks pitt wanted to trade up for a ot. Guess the vibes were there bears wanted ot and that’s why cardinals traded back up to get pjj. An extra draft pick isn’t worth missing out on someone as talented as wright

 

[ZOMBIE@CTESPN]

Oh and for posters who said wright doesn’t fit the system suck a dick

 

[Spitta Andretti]

Idt they end up with wright if they would have traded down further. It’s been known for weeks pitt wanted to trade up for a ot. Guess the vibes were there bears wanted ot and that’s why cardinals traded back up to get pjj. An extra draft pick isn’t worth missing out on someone as talented as wright

Steelers grabbed the last of the top OTs and the Jets wanted one at 15. Wright wouldn't have lasted past the Jets

 

[Discus fish salesman]

Oh and for posters who said wright doesn’t fit the system suck a dick

@BaBaBlacksheep @remydat

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

@BaBaBlacksheep @remydat

Not what I said. But whatever.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

Would this work for the next four picks?

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I think benton is gone in the first 10-15 picks tonight. I kind of hope they use a 4th to go up and get him.

 

[ZOMBIE@CTESPN]

I think benton is gone in the first 10-15 picks tonight. I kind of hope they use a 4th to go up and get him.

Yeah I think the run on dline continues. If the goal is to come out with one of the leftovers I think he is going to need to move up

Interesting to see if any players start getting traded. For bears Mooney jenkins jj kmet could all be trade bait. Still rumors out there commanders want to move dl(bills as well).

 

[Nelly]

Carter could not have fallen into a better situation.

The team has a ton of leaders on both offense and defense and he has around 4 teammates from Georgia to be his support system.

That defense is going to be SO good.

They also lost a lot of starters from last year, including Javon Hargrave. Can Carter be better than a seasoned, experienced Hargrave right away and make up for the loss of guys like Edwards, White and Gardner-Johnson? Great pick for them nonetheless I just don't know how much better they wil be than last year, if at all.

 

[bamainatlanta]

Yeah I think the run on dline continues. If the goal is to come out with one of the leftovers I think he is going to need to move up

Interesting to see if any players start getting traded. For bears Mooney jenkins jj kmet could all be trade bait. Still rumors out there commanders want to move dl(bills as well).

No one is trading for a rehabbing Mooney. Jackson could be on the block too.

 

[maxhatter]

For a team that has a ton of needs, do you think that it is wise to use 2 draft picks to fill the RT position and a backup LT?

I am not against that if Poles and Cunningham can find the 2023 version of Braxton Jones, but that is putting too much pressure on them to get it right two years in a row.

I am just hoping that Braxton is fine in 2023.

Quick question; if you moved your RT over to play LT would you replace the RT or would you not play one? Obviously, the team felt that RT was a priority this year. That's why they went hard after McGlinchey (offering him up to $17M annually) and why they drafted one in the first round this year. Most teams struggle to get 2 starting tackles on their teams and I can't think of any that have starters backing up starters along the line

 

[remydat]

@BaBaBlacksheep @remydat

Except I said he was a scheme fit. Yall really like to make shit up.

How many times does Poles and analysts have to tell you that system fits matter to them before you believe them?

They’ve said it numerous times. Do you just think they’re lying?

Now I actually love Wright as a player. I’m just not sure he’s got the quickness they want. Orlando Brown was obviously not a fit. Wright I’m not sure on

Yeah funny how meatballs dont understand scheme fit.

As for Wright, if he moves as well as he times then he should be a fit. Top 10 40 time and top 15 10 yard split, top 5 broad jump. If he were the pick I suspect they would just have him try to get to around 315-320 as a play weight as they had specific weight targets for all players and Jenkins and Borom had to cut weight last year.

And in Baba's defense he never claimed Wright was clearly not a scheme fit. he said he wasnt sure and I responded that he likely was a scheme fit given his athleticism and Baba thanked my post. I dont recall anyone actually claiming he wasnt a fit. The question came up and a few of us explained why he likely was a fit despite size.

So this is classic CCS cunting about a false narrative. The guy who we said was not a scheme fit was Orlando Brown and Poles already confirmed that fact.

 

[JoJoBoxer]

Quick question; if you moved your RT over to play LT would you replace the RT or would you not play one? Obviously, the team felt that RT was a priority this year. That's why they went hard after McGlinchey (offering him up to $17M annually) and why they drafted one in the first round this year. Most teams struggle to get 2 starting tackles on their teams and I can't think of any that have starters backing up starters along the line

Of course, you would.

Now, I have a question for you: who normally makes more money, a LT or RT?

Do you know why that is?






It is because a LT is WAY more valuable than a RT.

I do not even understand your question (several people had that bad take) and, even worse, others who said that you do not "you don't draft a player on a hypothetical situation".

That one is also an "of course not".

You draft a Jones because he has a chance of becoming a generational talent and, quite possibly, a transcendental LT in the future.

The versatility is just one factor to draft him.


As an aside, I did not do much Mocking this year. One thing that I did in my mind, after the Bears having traded back to #9, was to create a stick or trade list. Something like this...

Pick 9

1. Jalen Carter
2. Anderson
3. Wilson
4. Trade Back
5. PJJ
6. Broderick Jones

Pick 12

1. Wright
2. Trade Back
3. Skoronski

etc

This means that the Bears got Wright 2 picks before I would have been happy with him. I also would have had only Broderick Jones ahead of his (because he falls to the top of Pick 12 since he was not drafted at 9).

This is not "dick ripping" range which some tried to suggest that I was doing.

It has gotten so that nobody can mention their concerns about a player without a dogpile on top of him.

Well, it is no longer worth the effort. Wright is a RT and a Bear. I hope he has a decade+ of success and that the whole offensive line experiences a decade+ of injury-free football and lots of gelling.

 

[maxhatter]

Of course, you would.

Now, I have a question for you: who normally makes more money, a LT or RT?

Do you know why that is?






It is because a LT is WAY more valuable than a RT.

I do not even understand your question (several people had that bad take) and, even worse, others who said that you do not "you don't draft a player on a hypothetical situation".

That one is also an "of course not".

You draft a Jones because he has a chance of becoming a generational talent and, quite possibly, a transcendental LT in the future.

The versatility is just one factor to draft him.


As an aside, I did not do much Mocking this year. One thing that I did in my mind, after the Bears having traded back to #9, was to create a stick or trade list. Something like this...

Pick 9

1. Jalen Carter
2. Anderson
3. Wilson
4. Trade Back
5. PJJ
6. Broderick Jones

Pick 12

1. Wright
2. Trade Back
3. Skoronski

etc

This means that the Bears got Wright 2 picks before I would have been happy with him. I also would have had only Broderick Jones ahead of his (because he falls to the top of Pick 12 since he was not drafted at 9).

This is not "dick ripping" range which some tried to suggest that I was doing.

It has gotten so that nobody can mention their concerns about a player without a dogpile on top of him.

Well, it is no longer worth the effort. Wright is a RT and a Bear. I hope he has a decade+ of success and that the whole offensive line experiences a decade+ of injury-free football and lots of gelling.

If you look at the top 10 paid tackles in football 5 (50%) are right tackles. Lane Johnson, Jawaan Taylor, Ryan Ramczyk, Brian O’Neill, and Mike McGlinchey. Teams used to line their best pass rusher on the right side of the defense because that was the blind side of the QB. In today's game, they move pass rushers to either side to take advantage of matchups. Teams can no longer get by with having mediocre RT and why you see them investing more on the right side then they have in the past.