Nick Foles Trade Rumors

[WindyCity]

Problem is you sign the guy at back up plus money to be, by the GM's word, the QB1. He is basically saying, you really suck and shouldn't play unless a competent QB gets injured, but we are going to give you twice what you are worth to make you the lowest paid non rookie deal QB starter in the NFL.

That was Pace's grand plan until ATL, DET, CAR, and DEN all fucked themselves hard.

He had a shitty starter above average backup in Foles and then signed a shitty starter above average backup in Dalton. Pointless waste of cap space.

They couldn’t start Foles after last year. Dalton played much better last year. Now it looks bad as neither is likely to start many games.

They need to get out of one of those deals, it just seems unlikely that will happen.

 

[TheWinman]

Same with the majority of the guys I listed too.

Not like 27 td's and 2 int's that Foles had in 2013.

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

Not like 27 td's and 2 int's that Foles had in 2013.

Matt Cassel went 27 TDs and 7 INTs in 2010 with the Chiefs. Not as good as Foles in 2013 but pretty similar and still had a great season. Both got selected to the pro bowl. Like I said, I found guys with similar stats. I did my research to back up my opinion.

 

[CHIBEAR]

They couldn’t start Foles after last year. Dalton played much better last year. Now it looks bad as neither is likely to start many games.

They need to get out of one of those deals, it just seems unlikely that will happen.

They could start they were just afraid to do so instead they doubled down and sold it to the meatballs . The story of the entire Pace and Nagy era so far . Ridiculous reactionary moves driven by fear .

Dalton didnt play much better last year he basically took over a team averaging 32 ppg in the worst division possibly ever and they averaged 22 ppg


You have people knock Foles for playing with talent of the the Eagles while at the same dismissing Daltons failure to do anything with the talent of the Cowboys . Foles took over the Eagles team averaging 31 ppg and they averaged 29 ppg on the ay to the SB with him

On that QB supporting cast ranking they had the Bears at 28th but the Cowboys as 4th .

Now im a firm believer as availability being a talent and to me thats where Foles problem lies not on what he does on the field but his ability to stay on the field in this situation

 

[mattb78]

The Bears were drafting a QB in this draft, whether that was Fields or Trask or someone else, they were going to look towards the future. And that would have been fine had Foles been at least adequate.

Nagy's misevaluation of Foles as a capable QB is what caused this logjam. Not the Dalton signing, because there was no guarantee Fields or someone of starting quality was falling to us in this draft, and the Bears needed a somewhat capable starter going into the draft.

Regardless, if Fields works out, all of the Pace's and Nagy's QB issues are forgiven.

 

[iueyedoc]

They couldn’t start Foles after last year. Dalton played much better last year. Now it looks bad as neither is likely to start many games.

They need to get out of one of those deals, it just seems unlikely that will happen.

That's just untrue. Dalton resides in the same player-sphere as Trubisky and Foles and Dalton has been the same hack QB the last 4 yrs. You just didn't have to witness his shit play week in and week out. This was change for the sake of shitty change and nothing else.





Andy Dalton

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

That's just untrue. Dalton resides in the same player-sphere as Trubisky and Foles and Dalton has been the same hack QB the last 4 yrs. You just didn't have to witness his shit play week in and week out. This was change for the sake of shitty change and nothing else.

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All that needs to be focused on is last year stats and Dalton was the better QB. I’m not saying he was light years better but he did perform better on the field.

 

[Aesopian]

Hope he's a Jet

 

[Discus fish salesman]

Hope he's a Jet

I hope you're a jet

 

[KittiesKorner]

when you're a jet you're a jet

 

[Aesopian]

 

[iueyedoc]

All that needs to be focused on is last year stats and Dalton was the better QB. I’m not saying he was light years better but he did perform better on the field.

They paid 4 x what Trubisky got for a guy that has averaged 5 spots worse in passer rating since Trubisky's rookie season. Let that sink in. He is nothing more than the turd you haven't tasted yet.

 

[CHIBEAR]

All that needs to be focused on is last year stats and Dalton was the better QB. I’m not saying he was light years better but he did perform better on the field.

but he wasnt lol

Look at the qb supporting cast rankings

The Cowboys are 3rd
The Bears are 28th

Last year the Cowboys were 5th
Last year the Bears were 22nd


He wasn't a better qb he just had a better supporting casts that made him look better than he had been built still not better than the crap he had been the last 4 years in Cincy.

We ran Patterson out there at RB for a game ,we had receivers slap boxing at midfield and our Oline couldn't block to the degree that we are basically rebuilding the whole thing .

 

[Britbuffguy]

They couldn’t start Foles after last year. Dalton played much better last year. Now it looks bad as neither is likely to start many games.

They need to get out of one of those deals, it just seems unlikely that will happen.

Much better? Someone needs to go watch some Cowboys games from last season.

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

but he wasnt lol

Look at the qb supporting cast rankings

The Cowboys are 3rd
The Bears are 28th

Last year the Cowboys were 5th
Last year the Bears were 22nd


He wasn't a better qb he just had a better supporting casts that made him look better than he had been built still not better than the crap he had been the last 4 years in Cincy.

We ran Patterson out there at RB for a game ,we had receivers slap boxing at midfield and our Oline couldn't block to the degree that we are basically rebuilding the whole thing .

That’s your opinion and that’s fine. But if we’re using the lack of supporting cast, he also had one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL. As Bears fans, we should know first hand how offensive lines can effect the entire offense no matter how many weapons you have.

I would have rather had the Bears supporting cast with their o line in 2020 over the Cowboys combination of weapons and o line. Their o line was that bad.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

That’s your opinion and that’s fine. But if we’re using the lack of supporting cast, he also had one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL. As Bears fans, we should know first hand how offensive lines can effect the entire offense no matter how many weapons you have.

I would have rather had the Bears supporting cast with their o line in 2020 over the Cowboys combination of weapons and o line. Their o line was that bad.

While I think Dalton is better than foles and think the Cowboys oline was terrible which made their skill players irrelevant the bears oline during foles time wasn't much better. The titans were all over foles the whole game and they are possibly the worst pass rush in the league.

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

While I think Dalton is better than foles and think the Cowboys oline was terrible which made their skill players irrelevant the bears oline during foles time wasn't much better. The titans were all over foles the whole game and they are possibly the worst pass rush in the league.

Agreed, the Bears o line wasn’t anything to toot about either. Since CHIBEAR made his point about supporting cast, I wanted to share the supporting cast that he missed and possibly more important.

 

[Bearly]

They could start they were just afraid to do so instead they doubled down and sold it to the meatballs . The story of the entire Pace and Nagy era so far . Ridiculous reactionary moves driven by fear .

Dalton didnt play much better last year he basically took over a team averaging 32 ppg in the worst division possibly ever and they averaged 22 ppg


You have people knock Foles for playing with talent of the the Eagles while at the same dismissing Daltons failure to do anything with the talent of the Cowboys . Foles took over the Eagles team averaging 31 ppg and they averaged 29 ppg on the ay to the SB with him

On that QB supporting cast ranking they had the Bears at 28th but the Cowboys as 4th .

Now im a firm believer as availability being a talent and to me thats where Foles problem lies not on what he does on the field but his ability to stay on the field in this situation

Dallas was 5/5 with Dalton. 1/3 with Prescot. Dalton won the game he took over for Dak. Dallas had issues last year.

 

[hyatt151]

Trading for Foles absolutely made sense before the trade was made. We can all go off of hindsight now and say it didn't work out and ended up a bad trade and some of you didn't like even before he played a game for us, but that doesn't mean that taking a shot on him didn't make sense.

We got the contract restructured to where if it did work out then we had a starting QB on a great deal. Whether anyone likes hearing it the guy did win a Super Bowl in the same type of system and that's a fact. I bet if i went back and checked the threads i would see some people talking differently after he came into that Atlanta game, that we were down big in, and made a great comeback win for us.

The trade is bad now and i hope we can get rid of him but wasn't bad when it was first made.

I believe the Falcons game started the " Big Dick Nick" threads

 

[iueyedoc]

Trading for Foles absolutely made sense before the trade was made. We can all go off of hindsight now and say it didn't work out and ended up a bad trade and some of you didn't like even before he played a game for us, but that doesn't mean that taking a shot on him didn't make sense.

We got the contract restructured to where if it did work out then we had a starting QB on a great deal. Whether anyone likes hearing it the guy did win a Super Bowl in the same type of system and that's a fact. I bet if i went back and checked the threads i would see some people talking differently after he came into that Atlanta game, that we were down big in, and made a great comeback win for us.

The trade is bad now and i hope we can get rid of him but wasn't bad when it was first made.

Having Foles as a back up wasn't a bad gamble, the trade itself was a disaster. JAX wanted out of the contract so badly, giving up any picks was moronic, not getting picks to take on his contract was near indefensible.

This was a JAX writers perspective:

But, will anyone trade for Nick Foles?​

One of the worst things that happened in this whole situation when you evaluate it now, is Foles tanked any trade value he might have had. While it probably wasn’t anything more than maybe a third-rounder prior to him coming back, it’s basically nothing now because he’s been so bad the past three games, especially with the meltdown against the Bucs.


Trading Foles now becomes tricky and you will likely have to engage in a Brock Osweiler type of tactical salary dump. The Houston Texans gave Osweiler a massive contract in the offseason, he stunk, and they then had to give up a second-round pick to the Cleveland Browns in order to dump his salary. It’s likely the Jaguars will have to be in this same type of situation. Foles remaining deal is slightly less than what Osweiler was due in year two, so maybe you will not have to give up a second- and sixth-round pick like the Texans did, but Houston also got the Browns fourth rounder in return.

Foles' situation had Brock Osweiler written all over it, yet Pace, inexplicably gave up picks to take on a, universally accepted shit contract.