NL Cy Young Race: Arrieta vs. Greinke

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10 Sept: Arrieta (Philly)
11 Sept: Hendricks
12 Sept: Haren
13 Sept: Hammel
14 Sept: Off
15 Sept: DH Lester & Arrieta (Pitt)
16 Sept: Hendricks
17 Sept: Haren
18 Sept: Hammel (Cards)
19 Sept: Arrieta
20 Sept: Lester
21 Sept: Hendricks (Brewers)
22 Sept: Haren
23 Sept: Hammel
24 Sept: off
25 Sept: Arrieta (Pirates)
26 Sept: Lester
27 Sept: Hendricks
28 Sept: Haren (Royals)
29 Sept: Hammel (Reds)
30 Sept: Arrieta
1 Oct: Lester
2 Oct Hendricks (Brewers)
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4 Oct: Hammel

Play off Arrieta**

Game 1: Lester**
 

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6*W - 2*L. So it is weighed heavy into wins but losses also factor but to a lesser degree.

I think he made this formula to keep the traditionalists at bay as they weigh wins ERA and SO as the top 3 stats. IP to a lesser degree as the formula factors in.

Not a fan that walks doesn't factor.

It is more of a old school based input. Some will look at it if on the border on who they pick.

My opinion is if Grenke keeps his ERA under 1.60 it is his. If not his other off stats are inferior to Arreta and Kershaw. Kershaw just has SO's as his power point. That weighs heavy into FIP. But that should not out weigh that he is not even in the top 3 in the NL in wins. I believe that factors him out.

Arreta leads in wins. Top 3 in SO and ERA. You have to look at the whole package and he is strong at all.

He has a clear shot at it.
Looking at the whole package all Jake has is wins.
Jake has a shot, but he needs help from the other two
 

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I think if Jake wins out....it's his, no matter what the other guys do. 24 wins in the NL doesn't happen much, like 2 times in the last 30 years...over 24, you gotta go all the way back to Steve Carlton. 24 wins including the play-in game should get it done.
 

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Looking at the whole package all Jake has is wins.
Jake has a shot, but he needs help from the other two

ERA:
1. Greinke
2. Arrieta
3. Kershaw

Wins:
1. Arrieta
2. Bumgarner
3. Greinke
3. Cole
5. Wacha
6. Colon
7. Kershaw

SO
1. Kershaw
2. Scherzer
3. Bumgarner
4. Arrieta
5. Shields
6. DeGrom
7. Ross
8. Liriano
9. Lester
10. Cole
11. Greinke
 

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I think if Jake wins out....it's his, no matter what the other guys do. 24 wins in the NL doesn't happen much, like 2 times in the last 30 years...over 24, you gotta go all the way back to Steve Carlton. 24 wins including the play-in game should get it done.

Play in game is a playoff game, it wouldn't count towards his regular season stats.
 

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ERA:
1. Greinke
2. Arrieta
3. Kershaw

Wins:
1. Arrieta
2. Bumgarner
3. Greinke
3. Cole
5. Wacha
6. Colon
7. Kershaw

SO
1. Kershaw
2. Scherzer
3. Bumgarner
4. Arrieta
5. Shields
6. DeGrom
7. Ross
8. Liriano
9. Lester
10. Cole
11. Greinke

That's not even close to the whole package.
 

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Play in game is a playoff game, it wouldn't count towards his regular season stats.

Before the second wild card game it was counted as an extra regular season game.
 

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Before the second wild card game it was counted as an extra regular season game.

The difference being those weren't scheduled play in games, they were tiebreakers and counted as game 163. The Wild Card game is a playoff game.
 

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Before the second wild card game it was counted as an extra regular season game.

Yeah, that's what I thought too. You win that one game to get into the playoffs...hence the "play-in" game. Not argumentative...I just didn't know.
 

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well ESPN has Arrieta ahead of Grenke by .1 now. Pressure is on Grenke to keep ahead.
 

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Play in game is a playoff game, it wouldn't count towards his regular season stats.


Officially no but I'm sure the people voting would be looking at the results of that game.
 

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By Phil Rogers / MLB.com | @philgrogers | + 13 COMMENTS
The Phillies had a chance to get Jake Arrieta on Friday, but in the end they didn't come close.

Despite bunching four hits, including rookie Aaron Altherr's home run, in a span of eight early batters, they became just another victim. Arrieta started slowly but was money in the bank once Kris Bryant gave him a lead, nailing down his 19th victory and moving the Cubs closer to the postseason.
This is what Cy Young Award winners do. Arrieta, if he can remain locked in over the next three weeks, should become the first Cub to win the Cy since Greg Maddux in 1992. And make no mistake about it: This guy is locked in.
"Almost robotic," Cubs broadcaster Jim Deshaies said during Friday's telecast of the Cubs' 5-1 win.
Zack Greinke has been the National League Cy Young frontrunner since earning a start in the All-Star Game, and the 2009 AL Cy Young winner has done little to hurt his case since then. He's 8-1 with a 2.21 ERA in 10 second-half starts for the Dodgers, who are riding the Greinke-Clayton Kershaw tandem to an NL West title.
Speaking of Kershaw, he's been pitching like a three-time NL Cy Young Award winner in his prime, going 7-0 with a 1.04 ERA in 10 second-half starts. He's 13-6 with a 2.15 ERA and a league-best 259 strikeouts in 201 innings.
How impressive is that? Most years, those are Cy Young numbers, but as much as they demonstrate that Kershaw remains the gold standard of pitching, they aren't quite as strong as Greinke's 16-3 record and 1.68 ERA in 192 2/3 innings, with only 32 walks and a 0.86 WHIP.
In just about any year, you couldn't go wrong anointing either of the Dodgers' aces as your Cy Young winner. But in 2015, you'd be overlooking the pitching story of the season.
Arrieta's emergence as the new Max Scherzer -- a monster of a man who pounds the strike zone with 95- and 96-mph fastballs and makes elite hitters look feeble with a devastating slider he can throw about five different ways, including one that looks like the nastiest split-finger you've seen -- trumps everything being done in the NL West, where spacious stadiums and tepid lineups have helped produce 12 of the last 16 NL Cy Young Award winners.
Raw numbers do a nice job of telling Arrieta's story. While leading the Majors in wins, he's 19-6 with a 1.99 ERA over a career-high 199 innings. He's struck out 204 while compiling a .194 opponents' batting average and an 0.92 WHIP.
But there's a context to Arrieta's success that must be considered.
When Arrieta became a full-time member of the Cubs' rotation midway through the 2013 season, he was joining a 53-67 team that was in the second year of Theo Epstein's stripped-to-the-studs rebuilding effort. He's pitched for three managers in his three years in Chicago, and his arrival as an ultra-reliable stud -- earning $3.63 million -- has allowed Joe Maddon to return the Cubs to relevance, ahead of schedule.
Signing Jon Lester for $155 million certainly helped. But if the Cubs wind up in the win-or-go-home Wild Card Game, it'll be Arrieta, not Lester on the mound.
That's OK with Lester. He says he thinks Arrieta is "the best pitcher in baseball right now," and he's right.

The righty's Aug. 30 no-hitter at Dodger Stadium is more than just the cherry on top of his Cy Young case. It's the centerpiece of one of the best extended stretches of pitching in modern history.
The victory at Philadelphia made Arrieta 13-1 with a 1.00 ERA, 115 strikeouts and only 64 hits and 25 walks allowed in 117 innings over 16 starts since June 21. He threw a four-hit shutout against the Twins at Target Field that day, and he has been deadly ever.

Entering Friday's start, which was pushed back one day by a rainout, Arrieta had joined Bob Gibson and Luis Tiant as one of only three pitchers in the modern era to pile up 12-plus wins and 100-plus strikeouts in a 15-start stretch in which they kept their ERA under 1.00. Gibson and Tiant did that in 1968, the year pitching was so dominant that MLB lowered the mound.
Arrieta has won his last eight starts, the first Cub to do that since Milt Pappas won 12 in a row in 1972. His ERA could become the lowest for a Cubs qualifier since Lon Warneke posted a 2.00 ERA in 1933.
You'd think Arrieta might be tiring. He was on the disabled list with shoulder soreness last season and had never worked more than 180 innings in a season, but he has earned Maddon's confidence with his zealous dedication to conditioning. He doesn't seem stressed late in games, maintaining his mid-90s fastball the fourth time through lineups.
The Cy Young is his to win, and you'd be silly to bet against him.
Phil Rogers is a columnist for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.
 

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Instead of going after Price they should lock up Arrieta for the next 7 years. He is what you want as a staff leader.
 

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Instead of going after Price they should lock up Arrieta for the next 7 years. He is what you want as a staff leader.

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Instead of going after Price they should lock up Arrieta for the next 7 years. He is what you want as a staff leader.
They have him locked up for next 2 yrs thru age 31
No need to rush an extension now, unless he willing to accept a reasonable deal to extend 3 or 4 yrs after the 2 that makes both sides happy..
 

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Grienke has allowed 1ER or less in something like 16 games. That is pretty sick.

The no hitter and the strong finish is what will win it, imo.

 

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They have him locked up for next 2 yrs thru age 31
No need to rush an extension now, unless he willing to accept a reasonable deal to extend 3 or 4 yrs after the 2 that makes both sides happy..

Two more years of great stats and he will be nigh unsignable. His agent is Boras which means maximum cash. Depending what happens this year with Price in particular Arrieta could find himself the first $250 million pitcher.
 

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Two more years of great stats and he will be nigh unsignable. His agent is Boras which means maximum cash. Depending what happens this year with Price in particular Arrieta could find himself the first $250 million pitcher.
Maybe but they still have 2 more years of him at a reasonable cost.

I think some of you dont realize Arrieta is already 31 YO
In 2018 at 34, do you really wanna be paying the guy all that dough for 4 -5 more years ?

I think the cubs will ride this out and let him go then..

In 2018 Lester at 34 will be in his final 3 yrs at 27.5, 27.5, and 20
with a 10 mil bugout in 2021..

David Price will be 32 in 2018 and 3rd yr of new deal. .


Cubs can ride these 3 for next 2 years. .
Then they ride with Price and Lester with a younger stud for Arrieta. ..

Like ive been saying the key will be for them to start drafting or trading for stud young pitching to be ready to come up and continue the strong pitching ..
 

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You lock him up because you are looking at 30 per year for at least 5 years to get him. You buy out his last 2 arb years and add 5 after. Something like 8 mil year 1, 12 year 2, 16 year 3, 20 year 4, 24 year 5, and 2 option years at 30 mil each. Give him a shot to buy out. About 134 mil. Should pay him well until his mid 30's.

I just don't see Theo spending 30 mil per year to sign Price. That is beyond me. I see them signing at most Zimmerman for Lester cash.

Now if Price takes a discount and signs for Lester cash then yes they will go there.
 

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