No Cap Room to Sign Anyone?

[Prime1]

I'll take a pass on Ellis. All those advanced stat guys hate him. He's an inefficient chucker. If he could go back to the way he played when they had Baron maybe, but I think he's tasted the green light too much recently to believe he'll just willingly go back to being a role player/second option.

 

[james k]

I am trying to think of things that the Bulls could do to better themselves at the 2 guard position...I don't see them signing anyone because they need the cap space to resign Rose. The draft is a possibility--if Brooks falls to the 20s or if the Bulls take a chance on E'twan Moore out of Perdue with the 30th (kind of a reach for him going there). I could see them making a draft day deal, depending on who is left on the board, with either Houston or Memphis. If the Bulls strike out with Brooks and opt not to select Moore, they could select a guy like Vucevic (if still available) or Jeremy Tyler and swap them for Courtney Lee/OJ Mayo, depending on which team wants to make a deal...but at this point, I am hoping for the best possible haul from the draft in Brooks...all of these could be unlikely.

 

[TheStig]

The Bulls need to look to trade away Kyle Korver, Omer Asik, and C.J. Watson because realistically none of them are going to help the Bulls get to a championship.

Omer Asik is one of the best backup centers in the league. He allows Noah to play more aggressively. If we trade him in anything short of a deal for a star, the whole front office should be fired. Watson is also one of the most talented back up pgs in the league. Korver is the only one I'd look to trade. He is a major defensive liability. He can't guard anyone on the floor.

 

[Glide2keva]

Omer Asik is one of the best backup centers in the league. He allows Noah to play more aggressively. If we trade him in anything short of a deal for a star, the whole front office should be fired. Watson is also one of the most talented back up pgs in the league. Korver is the only one I'd look to trade. He is a major defensive liability. He can't guard anyone on the floor.

This. I don't see why people want to get rid of Asik. He was a stopper against Miami. When he went down, the Bulls had no inside defense.

He is very good at what he does.

He's an asset, not a liability.

 

[TheStig]

This. I don't see why people want to get rid of Asik. He was a stopper against Miami. When he went down, the Bulls had no inside defense.

He is very good at what he does.

He's an asset, not a liability.

Exactly, I think his floor is a Joel Pryzbilla. Which is a mediocre starting center. Gives you next to nothing offensively and helps a lot defensively and on the boards. I'd venture to say his defense will be better than Noah's. Our front court is not the problem if Boozer is healthy. Noah, Boozer, Asik, Gibson and Thomas are one of the best when healthy. Boozer is the key.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

People want to get rid of Asik because, assuming we keep Joakim Noah, there would be no purpose in having him on the team to help them win playoff series. He isn't going to peak for at least another 5 seasons and he won't get much playing time with the Bulls seeing as how they already have a similar player, in the form of Noah. Noah is the much better offensive and much more versatile defensive version of Asik. Asik is going to be a big liability on offense because of his terrible free-throw shooting and lack of post game.

Eventually, some team is going to want to offer Chicago something of-value for him and the Bulls should take whatever team that is up on their offer as long as it sufficiently helps the team. Asik does give the Bulls more depth in their front-court right now, and that always helps, but I don't see him as their center of the future.

 

[Glide2keva]

So Noah is going to play 48 minutes every game?

Having Asik (a true 7' center) is a luxury most teams don't have. He works hard on defense and forces guys into bad shots or makes them adjust their shots going in the paint. I don't understand why you wouldn't want to cultivate that and benefit from his improvement.

I mean putting together an all star team is all you guys seem to want to do.

 

[TheStig]

People want to get rid of Asik because, assuming we keep Joakim Noah, there would be no purpose in having him on the team to help them win playoff series. He isn't going to peak for at least another 5 seasons and he won't get much playing time with the Bulls seeing as how they already have a similar player, in the form of Noah. Noah is the much better offensive and much more versatile defensive version of Asik. Asik is going to be a big liability on offense because of his terrible free-throw shooting and lack of post game.

Eventually, some team is going to want to offer Chicago something of-value for him and the Bulls should take whatever team that is up on their offer as long as it sufficiently helps the team. Asik does give the Bulls more depth in their front-court right now, and that always helps, but I don't see him as their center of the future.

Noah is best when he is high energy and aggressive. Having a guy that can come in when he is tired or in foul trouble and limit him to 33 mpg is a big asset. Noah also is always out with an injury, same with boozer. Having another quality big is a big advantage. Asik is also a better post defender, help defender and has more size. He won't be bullied by a Kendrick Perkins type. Its very similar to what the Mavs do. Offensively, I agree 100% but its Asik's first pro year, i am sure he won't be as big of a liability next year.

 

[BogansDPOY]

Ellis could start alongside Rose, he won't lose playing time and he won't have to shoot a ton either if he has a solid team around him, a luxary he doesn't have with the Warriors but would have with the Bulls. Assuming of course he doesn't want to shoot the hell out of the ball all the time. The turnovers suck but Dwyane Wade has been a turnover machine too throughout his career and he's still a beast.

It's a long shot that the Bulls would get him because they'd have to give up a ton to get him plus I don't know if they'd be willing to take Boozer, Noah, Brewer, Deng and those first round picks.

If GS did take that trade, then the Bulls would have problems at the forward position that they would absolutely have to address in free agency.

Here's an article addressing this topic. It looks like if this trade is consumated, the price would possibly be Deng.

Trade Monta Ellis? Jerry West just might be the guy to do it | Talking Points

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

So Noah is going to play 48 minutes every game?

Having Asik (a true 7' center) is a luxury most teams don't have. He works hard on defense and forces guys into bad shots or makes them adjust their shots going in the paint. I don't understand why you wouldn't want to cultivate that and benefit from his improvement.

I mean putting together an all star team is all you guys seem to want to do.

Obviously, I don't want Noah to play extraneous minutes either. And I really do like what Asik brings to the table. It's just that something tells me that a team is going to demand him in a trade if we are going to get rid of the contracts of Kyle Korver and maybe Ronnie Brewer for a better overall player. Kyle Korver and Keith Bogans are really the only 2 players on the active roster that I want to get rid of though.

And I think you might be underrating star power just a little bit.

'10 champ: LAL (Bryant, Gasol, Odom, Bynum)
'09 champ: LAL (same)
'08 champ: BOS (KG, Pierce, Allen, Rondo)
'07 champ: SAS (TD, Ginobili, Parker)
'06 champ: MIA (Wade, Shaq, and Walker, GP, and Mourning who were a bunch of former All-star players to bring off of the bench)

Look at this years' finals:
MIA has Wade, James, and Bosh

DAL has Nowitzki and a bunch of former All-stars in Kidd, Marion, and Stojakovic. And their 2nd and 3rd best players are Terry and Chandler. I'd say All-star power is what a team probably needs if they are going to win a title in this modern NBA.

 

[Glide2keva]

Noah is best when he is high energy and aggressive. Having a guy that can come in when he is tired or in foul trouble and limit him to 33 mpg is a big asset. Noah also is always out with an injury, same with boozer. Having another quality big is a big advantage. Asik is also a better post defender, help defender and has more size. He won't be bullied by a Kendrick Perkins type. Its very similar to what the Mavs do. Offensively, I agree 100% but its Asik's first pro year, i am sure he won't be as big of a liability next year.

My god you are making too much sense.

Stop it.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Noah is best when he is high energy and aggressive. Having a guy that can come in when he is tired or in foul trouble and limit him to 33 mpg is a big asset. Noah also is always out with an injury, same with boozer. Having another quality big is a big advantage. Asik is also a better post defender, help defender and has more size. He won't be bullied by a Kendrick Perkins type. Its very similar to what the Mavs do. Offensively, I agree 100% but its Asik's first pro year, i am sure he won't be as big of a liability next year.

Yeah I know that 33 min. is ideal for a guy like Noah. I just would like it better if we had a guy who could do something consistent offensively and also defend (i.e. Kurt Thomas or a guy somewhat like him). I think Asik is probably a little bit better of a shot-blocker and maybe even rebounder than Noah, too. It's just that, that zero post-up game isn't going to change in only 1 or 2 more seasons. By the time that happens, I'm afraid that his rookie contract will be done and somebody else will have snagged him in free agency only to have the Bulls come away with no value in exchange for him.

 

[Glide2keva]

I understand the star power thing, but the thing about that is, those are really good teams overall. The last Lakers teams weren't very top heavy, they had stars and good players backing them up.

Miami (this year) is the exception, not the rule.

 

[Glide2keva]

Yeah I know that 33 min. is ideal for a guy like Noah. I just would like it better if we had a guy who could do something consistent offensively and also defend (i.e. Kurt Thomas or a guy somewhat like him). I think Asik is probably a little bit better of a shot-blocker and maybe even rebounder than Noah, too. It's just that, that zero post-up game isn't going to change in only 1 or 2 more seasons. By the time that happens, I'm afraid that his rookie contract will be done and somebody else will have snagged him in free agency only to have the Bulls come away with no value in exchange for him.

So, dump him now?

Who knows what the Bulls cap situation will be then. He also won't demand big money so he will still be on the cheap.

 

[Utahbullsfan]

Big men are valued highly in this league the Suns gave up Richardson for pretty much Gortat

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

So, dump him now?

Who knows what the Bulls cap situation will be then. He also won't demand big money so he will still be on the cheap.

I wouldn't use the word "dump." I'd listen to other team's offers and offer him up for the O.J. Mayo's and Josh Smith's of the league. If they can get a decent off (be it this year or a couple down the road), I say include Asik if it is a must-do.

 

[TheStig]

Yeah I know that 33 min. is ideal for a guy like Noah. I just would like it better if we had a guy who could do something consistent offensively and also defend (i.e. Kurt Thomas or a guy somewhat like him). I think Asik is probably a little bit better of a shot-blocker and maybe even rebounder than Noah, too. It's just that, that zero post-up game isn't going to change in only 1 or 2 more seasons. By the time that happens, I'm afraid that his rookie contract will be done and somebody else will have snagged him in free agency only to have the Bulls come away with no value in exchange for him.

I got no problem trading Asik. Just in a deal that nets us an allstar. Like I would do Deng, Asik and picks for Granger. Or I would do Noah, Asik, Boozer and picks for Howard and a bad deal. Just bring me back a legit very good player. I don't want to trade Watson, Asik and picks for OJ Mayo.

 

[houheffna]

I got no problem trading Asik. Just in a deal that nets us an allstar. Like I would do Deng, Asik and picks for Granger. Or I would do Noah, Asik, Boozer and picks for Howard and a bad deal. Just bring me back a legit very good player. I don't want to trade Watson, Asik and picks for OJ Mayo.

Danny Granger? Deng and Asik and Picks for....Granger? You're fired man!!!

 

[clonetrooper264]

I understand the star power thing, but the thing about that is, those are really good teams overall. The last Lakers teams weren't very top heavy, they had stars and good players backing them up.

Miami (this year) is the exception, not the rule.

Miami this year will be the rule from now on. Granted they will be better in the upcoming years assuming the new CBA allows them to keep everyone, but they're going to be the most top heavy team in the league for at least the next 5 years. Miami wins because of the big 3 and some solid role player production from Haslem and Miller. That was the lineup I was scared of to start the season before the whole injury thing dismantled that. You see now how dangerous they can be, and I still don't think Haslem and Miller are both 100% healthy. Star power is what wins unless we're going to be the 2004 Pistons just outperforming the 2004 Lakers in 5 games.

 

[TheStig]

Danny Granger? Deng and Asik and Picks for....Granger? You're fired man!!!

Why not? He'd be a perfect fit next to Rose? The guy is a legit 20ppg scorer who can spread the floor and I doubt the 28th and 30th picks are worth much anyway.