No deal!!!

[Glide2keva]

Couldn't have said it better myself.

This is what I'm saying, People come to see the players, play, not to see the owners own.

 

[Fredsmooth21]

Lockout close to ending?

NBA Lockout -- Sides wrap talks for night, will meet again Friday - ESPN

Hunter seems to think they are within 'striking distance'.

Going to finish up today. I hope they come to a deal.

 

[Glide2keva]

A deal could be on the way. Glad the players called the owners' bluffs.

 

[85Bears4life]

NBA Lockout -- David Stern announces more game cancellations - ESPN

 

[97Bulls]

NBA Lockout -- David Stern announces more game cancellations - ESPN

Seems to me the owners are being greedy. The players have come down to 52%. I still think the band was the fairest.

 

[bleacherbum54]

Seems to me the owners are being greedy. The players have come down to 52%. I still think the band was the fairest.

52 only covers 3/4 of losses 50/50 is more than fair if I was an owner I would want closer to 52/48 in my favor. Plus I would want the system issues in my favor so all teams have a chance to win a title not just 6 teams or so.

 

[Fredsmooth21]

52 only covers 3/4 of losses 50/50 is more than fair if I was an owner I would want closer to 52/48 in my favor. Plus I would want the system issues in my favor so all teams have a chance to win a title not just 6 teams or so.

for the players. People come to watch them play, not the owners, gm, and their crappy decision making. You're basically bending the players over on the deal because the owners made bad business decisions on paying these players that kind of money. The fact that the players went down to 52% is huge.

 

[Diddy1122]

I'm slowly getting the feeling that Billy Hunter is the reason these talks are breaking down. The owners have conceded on alot of things. No hard cap, keeping mid-level exceptions as is, keeping bird rights but with some tweaks to it, & giving 5yr contracts for staying with your current team. The players haven't really conceded on anything as far as I can tell other than coming down 4.5% on BRI, which is significant, but they are making out like they've been total victims which is far from the case.

Both sides are at fault for the current mess the NBA finds itself in. And until both sides can stop acting like my twin nieces when they want to play with the same toy, there will be no leather bouncing off the hardwood for the foreseeable future.

 

[DCguy]

I'm slowly getting the feeling that Billy Hunter is the reason these talks are breaking down. The owners have conceded on alot of things. No hard cap, keeping mid-level exceptions as is, keeping bird rights but with some tweaks to it, & giving 5yr contracts for staying with your current team. The players haven't really conceded on anything as far as I can tell other than coming down 4.5% on BRI, which is significant, but they are making out like they've been total victims which is far from the case.

Both sides are at fault for the current mess the NBA finds itself in. And until both sides can stop acting like my twin nieces when they want to play with the same toy, there will be no leather bouncing off the hardwood for the foreseeable future.

All those "concessions" you're saying the owners gave up were never taken away. The owners just threatened to take them away. So really the owners gave up nothing. The players are the ones who made concessions.

 

[Diddy1122]

All those "concessions" you're saying the owners gave up were never taken away. The owners just threatened to take them away. So really the owners gave up nothing. The players are the ones who made concessions.

Seriously? There is no CBA right now. It's a blank sheet of paper. So YES, the owners made concessions on their stance of what the new CBA should be. Worded better?

None of the changes they were really striving for have been achieved. The players have essentially gotten their way with everything thus far. It's plain as day. The owners are sticking on the BRI because they have given into most of the players demands, as I stated before on having no hard cap, maintaining bird rights, longer contracts, mid-level exceptions & fully guaranteed contracts.

 

[AE23]

get a deal!

therye stuck on a 2% diff

 

[97Bulls]

Seriously? There is no CBA right now. It's a blank sheet of paper. So YES, the owners made concessions on their stance of what the new CBA should be. Worded better?

None of the changes they were really striving for have been achieved. The players have essentially gotten their way with everything thus far. It's plain as day. The owners are sticking on the BRI because they have given into most of the players demands, as I stated before on having no hard cap, maintaining bird rights, longer contracts, mid-level exceptions & fully guaranteed contracts.

Well if its blank then neither side has made concessions. But the players have given in on some things too. They raised the age limit to 20, the came off the 57% bri, the contracts aren't longer, and while there isn't gonna be a hard salary cap, it is gonna be much more stringent.

 

[Diddy1122]

Well if its blank then neither side has made concessions. But the players have given in on some things too. They raised the age limit to 20, the came off the 57% bri, the contracts aren't longer, and while there isn't gonna be a hard salary cap, it is gonna be much more stringent.

Semantics, semantics. All I'm trying to illustrate is that the players are not victims here, like most people seem to think. They are just as culpable as the owners for the precarious state of the NBA. This drawing the line in the sand on 52.5% will get them nowhere. And players showing up who've had ZERO input in this entire process then trying to exert their star power (I'm looking directly at you KG) nearly derailed all the talks a week ago. If you polled all the current NBA players today, I'm willing to bet close to 60% would accept a 50-50 split. Unfortunately for them Fisher is a yes man & Hunter seems more concerned about pleasing agents than players.

 

[DCguy]

Seriously? There is no CBA right now. It's a blank sheet of paper. So YES, the owners made concessions on their stance of what the new CBA should be. Worded better?

None of the changes they were really striving for have been achieved. The players have essentially gotten their way with everything thus far. It's plain as day. The owners are sticking on the BRI because they have given into most of the players demands, as I stated before on having no hard cap, maintaining bird rights, longer contracts, mid-level exceptions & fully guaranteed contracts.

The owners knew the players weren't going to go for a hard cap and give up guaranteed contracts, they were just bluffing. The players seem to agree to shortened contracts and and lowering the money and years in the mid-level exception. But in the big picture, the owners always win in these negotiations, so really the players always will give up more. The concessions the owners are supposedly giving to the players are merely just sympathetic bones the owners throw to the players ultimately giving the owners what they want.

 

[DCguy]

Semantics, semantics. All I'm trying to illustrate is that the players are not victims here, like most people seem to think. They are just as culpable as the owners for the precarious state of the NBA. This drawing the line in the sand on 52.5% will get them nowhere. And players showing up who've had ZERO input in this entire process then trying to exert their star power (I'm looking directly at you KG) nearly derailed all the talks a week ago. If you polled all the current NBA players today, I'm willing to bet close to 60% would accept a 50-50 split. Unfortunately for them Fisher is a yes man & Hunter seems more concerned about pleasing agents than players.

Well to be fair to Fisher, he is representing his peers so he has to in some ways be a yes man. He has to do what the majority of the players want, since he is their representative; just as David Stern does for the owners.

I agree, the players should eventually give in mainly for the fact that they really have nothing to fall back on leverage wise. But I admire them for holding out simply because they are the product and if the owners want to continue to make their team ownership in the NBA a viable one, they need to make sure the people(players) who help generate that revenue are happy.

But as of now I would personally think both sides look equally bad. But most people will say the players look worse because a lot of the public think pro athletes are overpaid anyway. So they think the athletes should be happy for what they make. I don't think they are seen as the victims.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

Neither the owners or players are victims....They are all paid in full....a bunch of millionaires fighting with billionaires over more more more......But in the end the owners(billionaires) can afford to wait out 2 whole seasons therefore the players eventually will fold....Billions trumps millions....simple math

 

[Glide2keva]

The players are doing a job. That is entertaining the fans. I don't think they are overpaid. They deserve everything they get and shouldn't be happy to just get anything. If the owners, TV stations, Advertisers, Sponsor, Local economies, etc. can make BILLIONS off of these guys' talents, then the players deserve the millions that they get. They've earned it.

And paying them what they deserve is not charity. I love how people always want to hit the players in the pockets, but never come at the owners. The owners should be the ones to concede to the 52.5% that the players want. 50/50 is a bad deal for the players and is a gold mine/windfall for the owners. People seem to have a woe is me attitude and seem to be generally apathetic to what's really going on.

The players have rights, and they have the right to stand up for those rights.

 

[BNB]

So stephen A. Smith was saying how Derrick Fisher + some other players are okay with taking the 50/50 split and start the season.

But Billy Hunter + some players want the 52.5/47.5 split and are willing to hold out until the owners agree to that.

So it seems like it's the players vs. the players right now if this is true.

 

[Crystallas]

So stephen A. Smith was saying how Derrick Fisher + some other players are okay with taking the 50/50 split and start the season.

But Billy Hunter + some players want the 52.5/47.5 split and are willing to hold out until the owners agree to that.

So it seems like it's the players vs. the players right now if this is true.

Some owners are good with the 57/43 split too. It's all kinds of divided, in the NBA.

This whole breakdown is due to a minority on both sides. Players that can't manage their money, and owners who don't know how to value their talent.

 

[Krystal]

I admire them for holding out simply because they are the product and if the owners want to continue to make their team ownership in the NBA a viable one, they need to make sure the people(players) who help generate that revenue are happy.

I agree.

I'm not one for choosing sides in this situation but the money comes in because of the fans love for the sport & talent of the players.

I understand this is a business and the owners want to get more money but.......
They'll be fine either way.
Whether they agree to the players' deal or not.

You could argue that the players would be fine too but they're getting "gypped".
Its their talent.

Just my opinion.
Whatever though.