North Korea shells South Korea

[BiscuitintheBasket]

F-22 still beats it in Air Superiority due to it being stealth. I remember they tested an F-22 against 4 F-15Cs and it killed all 4 Eagles before they even found it.

How many F-22's do you think the US has. Funding has been cut for the program as of this FY. Sure something else is coming, but the 187-ish of 'em is not an ace in the hole.

 

[R K]

The news is making this out to be a temper tantrum to get attention. Personally, I think the dumb shits in that multiple rocket launcher unit hit the wrong fucking island. I would not for one minute put it past those idiots, with their broke ass military, to **** up a targeting device or to read the wrong coordinates when using it. Maybe they were famished and dehydrated and just read the map wrong, LOL.



And Fluffles, sorry to burst your bubble but any mention of them having a functioning nuclear plant is straight up media bullshit. They might have a pretty looking plant, but it ain't doing anything.Its all smoke and mirrors with those people. Their only hope (I'm talking about the citizens not the leadership) is that the next Jonger tells the old commie, isolationists in the leadership to fuckoff. He spent about a decade going to school in Switzerland. Do you think anyone that has lived the western life would readily agree to be an isolationist commie? Look what happened to Russia after bluejeans and coca cola moved in.

I was going to go there but CNN reported it an all. LOL!



They barely have a missile that would hit Japan accurately let alone being able to enrich their own Uranium.



Now that's not to say the "quack" wouldn't have tried to purchase some from the massive stock pile that used to be the USSR, but I think the intelligence community, YOU, would be all over that.

 

[the canadian dream]

Let em deal with it themselves. Screw global involvement. Sick of it all. Let all countries wipe each other out. I am hoping that Sweden attacks us. Not only because it's the only army we can probably put up a fight against but also I like the thought of swedish blond girls with guns.

 

[TSD]

For those of you convinced this is a prelude to war. I was listening to a radio program 91.5 FM (mainly a news broadcast), they were interviewing people in south korea about their opinions of the attack, they interviewed 5 people, 4 of them laughed at the press this is getting, basically saying same shit different day(literally, they burst out laughing at the question). The 5th, just said something along the lines, I feel I'm supposed to care, but I don't.

Don't be too sure of that --> http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/11/23/nkorea.skorea.military.fire/index.html?hpt=T1



Normally it's just rhetoric from the North but when you start firing on your enemy that can quickly send things spiraling out of control. One thing that's also part of this is the transfer of power from Kim Jong Il to this son. It's been said his son doesn't have the respect of the military yet and needs "a couple victories under his belt" to secure it. This mini-attack could be part of their plan - they're nuts over there.

Let me ask you a question, if the South in invaded the North in retaliation reigniting the war, would you support committing US Troops to the war?

 

[BigPete]

They don't need our help. I mean that...they would whoop the shit out of the north, and contrary to popular belief China won't lift a finger to help those idiots.

 

[jaxhawksfan]

From my short time in Korea talking to the locals it is a difficult situation. Many people of the ROK (S. Korea) still have family and ancestors living in N. Korea. They would love nothing more than to be united again, but the gov't of N. Korea is fucked up and would rather let all the people of the country starve just to build a military. Pretty sad seeing as how the N. Korean military is few, poor, and outdated. If the ROK wanted, they could wipe out N. Korea easily. They basically practice restraint when the north plays this bullshit. With that said, this time the north went a bit too far and actually killed a couple soldiers so who knows what might happen. In any case, I believe the ROK could take care of N. Korea just fine on its own.

 

[BigPete]

2 thumbs up Jax. I forgot you taught over there. I miss the ROK, okay only a little bit.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Always a good idea to go to war with these meanies:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKILQPBcVTI

 

[TSD]

From my short time in Korea talking to the locals it is a difficult situation. Many people of the ROK (S. Korea) still have family and ancestors living in N. Korea. They would love nothing more than to be united again, but the gov't of N. Korea is fucked up and would rather let all the people of the country starve just to build a military. Pretty sad seeing as how the N. Korean military is few, poor, and outdated. If the ROK wanted, they could wipe out N. Korea easily. They basically practice restraint when the north plays this bullshit. With that said, this time the north went a bit too far and actually killed a couple soldiers so who knows what might happen. In any case, I believe the ROK could take care of N. Korea just fine on its own.

They've killed plenty of ROK soldiers since the armistice was signed, and a handful of American soldiers.

 

[jaxhawksfan]

Ah, I wasn't aware. Thanks for the info.

 

[canucklehead]

hey guys, you DO know that NK and SK have been at war since the 50's, right? South Korea never signed the peace treaty at the american "end" of the korean war. they have technically been at war this entire time.

 

[JOVE23]

And now the mayor of Inchon, South Korea, is blaming the South for this whole boondoggle.



Sometimes I wonder which Korea is crazier.



http://www.freekorea.us/2010/11/24/...ing-on-little-eichmanns-coming-home-to-roost/

 

[TSD]

hey guys, you DO know that NK and SK have been at war since the 50's, right? South Korea never signed the peace treaty at the american "end" of the korean war. they have technically been at war this entire time.

Yes we DO. There may not be a peace treaty but there IS a cease fire, although it hasn't really been paid much attention to, ever.

Ah, I wasn't aware. Thanks for the info.

Yeah, check out this link (although this is just covering the 60's) http://www.koreanwar-educator.org/topics/dmz/p_dmz_fighting_brush_fires.htm



but there have been more engagements since.



an excerpt:



"Spring 1967 witnessed a dramatic increase in losses due to ambushes, sabotage and mines. From May to year-end, 300 hostile actions in the U.S. sector claimed 15 American lives and 51 wounded. In the first day-long firefight, lasting 18 hours, NKs assaulted a guard post with .30 and .50 caliber weapons."

 

[canucklehead]

Yes we DO. There may not be a peace treaty but there IS a cease fire, although it hasn't really been paid much attention to, ever.











Yeah, check out this link (although this is just covering the 60's) http://www.koreanwar-educator.org/topics/dmz/p_dmz_fighting_brush_fires.htm



but there have been more engagements since.



an excerpt:



"Spring 1967 witnessed a dramatic increase in losses due to ambushes, sabotage and mines. From May to year-end, 300 hostile actions in the U.S. sector claimed 15 American lives and 51 wounded. In the first day-long firefight, lasting 18 hours, NKs assaulted a guard post with .30 and .50 caliber weapons."

then why are we discussing if war will break out? it's seems pretty far past that point by now.

 

[JOVE23]

then why are we discussing if war will break out? it's seems pretty far past that point by now.

The South Korean populace at large considers the North to be deluded brethren (we are all Koreans! Yay us!) instead of a national security threat.

 

[TSD]

then why are we discussing if war will break out? it's seems pretty far past that point by now.

I wasn't saying it would. A few here are making this out to be bigger than it is because they aren't aware of the history of the Korean DMZ since the armistice was signed and that there have been continually been attacks, border clashes, infiltrations etc etc.



This will be forgotten within a week or two, like everything else that happens there.

 

[roshinaya]

How many F-22's do you think the US has. Funding has been cut for the program as of this FY. Sure something else is coming, but the 187-ish of 'em is not an ace in the hole.

From what I've read the F-22's were a huge failure with them breaking down every 2 hour of flight time, rain messing with the electronics and whatnot. I think it was estimated that they could have built a full-size model of a F-22 in solid gold for what the whole program cost.

 

[TSD]

From what I've read the F-22's were a huge failure with them breaking down every 2 hour of flight time, rain messing with the electronics and whatnot. I think it was estimated that they could have built a full-size model of a F-22 in solid gold for what the whole program cost.

That isn't surprising in the least. Maybe we will make some money off the Iraqi's, Weve already sold them 140 M1 Tanks, lets sell em a few F-22's.

(Im sure Kerfluffle would chime in that that is tantamount to treason or something)



Arguably, we may have scrapped buying further F-22's, but we will still be procuring a bunch of F-35's, maybe not as good as the F-22 from a fighter perspective, but still the next most advanced multirole fighter in existence.

 

[Kerfuffle]

What nukes and nuke parts? That is all BS.

Pete - they ran a nuke test underground 2 years ago. It was all over the news, prompting the United Nations to step in immediately (they did nothing of course but scold North Korea as Russia and China refused to help again). But the nuke test was real - not some imagined media conspiracy.

 

[jakobeast]

Pete - they ran a nuke test underground 2 years ago. It was all over the news, prompting the United Nations to step in immediately (they did nothing of course but scold North Korea as Russia and China refused to help again). But the nuke test was real - not some imagined media conspiracy.

And if I remember right, which I am not sure I am, it was a failure. The underground test did blow up, but it was a failure, and didn't blow up properly.