Not surprisingly, Bulls out of Melo sweepstakes

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Lefty, you would trade Dennis Rodman for Patrick Ewing... 'nuff said.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

REALLY? NO WAY!


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The unwillingness to give up Noah is something that makes me scratch my head, FT. Never said otherwise. If I knew that the only way to get Melo was to give up Deng and Noah now, I might do it. It would be a huge risk, but the Bulls do need some firepower to compete with Miami and L.A.

Regardless, all I was trying to say is that all hope is not dead in Chicago that they will never get to that contending level. And I still lose more sleep over not getting James and Wade than Melo.

 

[Lex L.]

Lefty, you would trade Dennis Rodman for Patrick Ewing... 'nuff said.

Here comes the posturing and insults.

 

[FirstTimer]

Lefty, you would trade Dennis Rodman for Patrick Ewing... 'nuff said.

Who the hell wouldn't?

Patrick Ewing is a HOF center who averaged 20 and 10 for 9 seasons And 20 and 9 or 20 and 8 for four other seasons.

Rodman was a great rebounder and defender. But if you can get a HOF center for a great rebounder....you do it.

 

[Lefty]

Here comes the posturing and insults.

:lmao: Like fucking clockwork, only in this scenario the clock is Special person.

 

[Undisputed]

I agree the point is moot in regards to this specific deal because of the Nuggets not wanting Deng but the fact that the Bulls would be unwilling to part with Noah for a Top 5-10 NBA player in general is troubling.

Maybe the Bulls would be more willing to give up Noah if Melo wasn't seemingly in love with New York. Ever thought that Melo wouldn't commit to an extention with any team he gets traded to not named New York? That could be the case. None of us really know the situation behind the scenes. There's a lot of issues that could be holding the Bulls back. It's not so black and white.

Don't get me wrong, I'd give up Noah in a heartbeat if Melo had more years on his deal. I think you have to be a bit more careful about giving up key players on your team in the situation as it is.

 

[Lefty]

Who the hell wouldn't?

Patrick Ewing is a HOF center who averaged And 20 and 9 or 20 and 8 for four other seasons.

Rodman was a great rebounder and defender. But if you can get a HOF center for a great rebounder....you do it.

Rami was the one that said the Bulls wouldn't have been more dominant (and, as he implied, even less dominant) had they traded Rodman for Ewing straight up before the 96-97 season. Yeah.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Here comes the posturing and insults.

Don't really care. I find it hilarious how anybody could believe the Bulls would be better off with 2 nobody PFs and Ewing as opposed to Rodman and Longely. Especially when you already have Pippen, Jordan, and Kukoc to provide you with all the offense you need- and then some.

 

[Lex L.]

Don't really care. I find it hilarious how anybody could believe the Bulls would be better off with 2 nobody PFs and Ewing as opposed to Rodman and Longely. Especially when you already have Pippen, Jordan, and Kukoc to provide you with all the offense you need- and then some.

You dont have to make your case to me. I think Rodman is the best rebounder in the history of the league along with all of the other dirty work he did. He's one of the massively underrated players ever to play.

Rodman was so good at what he did, I wouldnt trade him for Ewing even if the Bulls needed the added scoring that Ewing brought.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Who the hell wouldn't?

Patrick Ewing is a HOF center who averaged 20 and 10 for 9 seasons And 20 and 9 or 20 and 8 for four other seasons.

Rodman was a great rebounder and defender. But if you can get a HOF center for a great rebounder....you do it.

My scenario was in the year 1996. That would have been a bad trade for Chicago. They probably still would have won the Championship in 1996 and 1997, but it simply wouldn't make sense to give up Rodman for Ewing. Especially in retrospect.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Ewing > Rodman, but he wasn't the better choice for the Bulls. Rodman was more athletic, 100x as mobile, stronger, faster, a much better defender, a much better rebounder. The Bulls already had everything they needed on offense. Why trade Rodman for a guy who would be averaging about 15 points or less on the Bulls?

 

[FirstTimer]

Rami was the one that said the Bulls wouldn't have been more dominant (and, as he implied, even less dominant) had they traded Rodman for Ewing straight up before the 96-97 season. Yeah.

I assume we are err... assuming that Ewing doesn't get hurt in 97-98? Ewing was starting to break down a bit so it'd be an interesting discussion

 

[FirstTimer]

Ewing > Rodman, but he wasn't the better choice for the Bulls. Rodman was more athletic, 100x as mobile, stronger, faster, a much better defender, a much better rebounder. The Bulls already had everything they needed on offense. Why trade Rodman for a guy who would be averaging about 15 points or less on the Bulls?

I don't know...Why would Miami sign 3 of the leagues top 10 players to have them average less across the board?

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

I assume we are err... assuming that Ewing doesn't get hurt in 97-98? Ewing wasn starting to break down a bit so it'd be an interesting discussion

Sure, I agree it would be an interesting discussion. The only point I was trying to make to Lefty was that "Noah and Deng for Anthony" (assuming every other possibility was off the table) should also be an interesting discussion. It seemed as though he was ignoring the down-side and risk that trade would have meant. (And before you jump down my throat... yes, there is obviously tons of up-side).

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

I don't know...Why would Miami sign 3 of the leagues top 10 players to have them average less across the board?

Because when Miami signed Wade, James, and Bosh.. the only player on their roster was Mario Chalmers... they didn't have Jordan, Pippen, Kukoc, Harper, Longely, etc.

 

[FirstTimer]

Sure, I agree it would be an interesting discussion. The only point I was trying to make to Lefty was that "Noah and Deng for Anthony" (assuming every other possibility was off the table) should also be an interesting discussion. It seemed as though he was ignoring the down-side and risk that trade would have meant. (And before you jump down my throat... yes, there is obviously tons of up-side).

Yeah..it'd be a real interesting discussion..on how we fleeced the **** out of the Nuggets.

Trading a HOF center for a borderline HOF'er/possible greatest rebounder of all time is =/= to trading the 3rd best center in the EC and an overpaid SF for one of the top 5-10 players in the NBA.

 

[Lex L.]

Ewing > Rodman, but he wasn't the better choice for the Bulls. Rodman was more athletic, 100x as mobile, stronger, faster, a much better defender, a much better rebounder. The Bulls already had everything they needed on offense. Why trade Rodman for a guy who would be averaging about 15 points or less on the Bulls?

Its kind of like you were saying, if youre building a team from scratch and you have a choice between Rodman and Ewing, youd probably go with Ewing. But if your second pick is between Ewing and Rodman and you already have a guy who can score, Rodman starts to make a lot of sense.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Yeah, I think that's fair that I would do the deal for Melo far, far before I would do the deal for Ewing.

 

[FirstTimer]

Because when Miami signed Wade, James, and Bosh.. the only player on their roster was Mario Chalmers... they didn't have Jordan, Pippen, Kukoc, Harper, Longely, etc.

:facepalm:

Really?

The point is if you can acquire better talent for less talent you do it. Ewing wasn't known as a cancer, he was hungry as hell for a ring, etc etc.

If you can stockpile talent in the NBA, or any sport for that matter, no matter who you already have...you do it.

 

[FirstTimer]

Its kind of like you were saying, if youre building a team from scratch and you have a choice between Rodman and Ewing, youd probably go with Ewing. But if your second pick is between Ewing and Rodman and you already have a guy who can score, Rodman starts to make a lot of sense.

Then again...if you already have guys that can score and Ewing can concentrate more on rebounding and defense then the better overall player makes sense because you have Ewing concentrate more on those aspect but he can still score and take over games that way if need be.