Of the 9 named HC candidates is there anyone you'd hate?

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Chicago Bears Coaching Carousel: Getting to know Byron Leftwich

We're getting closer to what looks to be an inevitable, with the Chicago Bears parting ways with head coach Matt Nagy. Is Byron Leftwich the answer?

beargoggleson.com

“Leftwich resurfaced as the offensive coordinator in Tampa Bay, reuniting with Bruce Arians. Since 2020, Leftwich has been the primary play-caller for a formidable Buccaneers offense.”

Baba, can you post something that Says BL was the primary or main or only play caller for 2019? If so I’d be more interested in him

This mentions it a bit.

"Why Is Leftwich Calling Plays?" - JoeBucsFan.com

The way a former NFL general manager has framed it, he wonders when the season is over if the losing culture of the Bucs is going to chew up and spit out Bucco Bruce Arians the way the losing culture […]

www.joebucsfan.com

 

[Visionman]

A swing and a miss shouldn’t stop one from getting into the batter’s box.

Also Leftwich has more experience as a play caller, was a former QB coach, and was a former NFL quarterback. Don’t see how the two are similar

He would get the most out of Fields

No, but if you can learn from your previous mistake, that’s probably a good idea.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Curious, if he takes a job, does he still get paid from the Broncos? I’m assuming yes since he has a contract with them. Unless there is a clause for that.

I think it just depends on the contract. I really don't know.

 

[IBleedBearsBlood]

SAY NO TO FLORES. HUGE RED FLAG!!!!!

Mofo in 3 years with Miami went thru . . .
4 O line coaches
4 Offensive coordinators
2 Defensive coordinators

How to fix Dolphins: Miami created more problems by firing Brian Flores, now must help Tua Tagovailoa

The Dolphins were on the verge of contention in the AFC after back-to-back winning seasons

www.cbssports.com

Correct. And who did they beat on that 8-1 run? Let’s go down the schedule starting with their first win on that run. Teams and final record.

Texans: 4-13
Raven: 8-9 (they won this game with 3 field goals, 1 fumble returned for a TD, and 1 offensive rushing touchdown by the QB - good passing offense my ass)
Jets: 4-13
Panthers: 5-12
Giants: 4-13
Jets: 4-13
Saints: 9-8 (they won this game with 2 field goals, 1 interception return for a TD, and 1 passing touchdown - good passing offense my ass)
Patriots: 10-7 ( they won this game with 2 field goals, 1 interception returned for a TD, 1 fumble recover in the end zone for a TD, 1 passing TD, and 1 rushing TD - seems like the same Bears offensive scoring with just 2 TD)

18 total offensive touchdowns in those 8 games won. The Bears only won 6 games and they scored 13 total offensive touchdowns.

Now for the “but you don’t have to score that much if you have that good of a defense. That’s why they won because of the defense” posse. Ok. What teams did that defense not stop and they ended up losing the game?

Bills: 11-6 playoff team with winning record
Raiders: 10-7 playoff team with winning record
Colts: 9-8 winning record
Bucs: 13-4 playoff team with winning record
Jaguars: 3-14 losing record
Falcons: 7-10 losing record
Bills: 11-6 playoff team with winning record
Titans: 12-5 playoff team with winning record

Seems like they can’t hang with the big boys. Look at how many total points they gave up on all those losses. 8 total teams they lost to and they gave up a total of 251 points in those 8 games. They got raped in some of those games.
I can’t believe I’m quoting George McCaskey but “they beat the teams they were suppose to beat”. And that’s where it stopped. Hard pass on Flores!

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Ok I found that BL did call plays in 2019. Good. So three years of actually doing it and two with the GOAT and what he brings and does. Struggled a bit in 2020 but figured it out and won the SB. Vs Nagy for a half a season.

4 ( or 3.75) he took over in Arizona in 2018 part way through the season.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

No, but if you can learn from your previous mistake, that’s probably a good idea.

Nagy and BL are very different though.

 

[ZenBear34]

Correct. And who did they beat on that 8-1 run? Let’s go down the schedule starting with their first win on that run. Teams and final record.

Texans: 4-13
Raven: 8-9 (they won this game with 3 field goals, 1 fumble returned for a TD, and 1 offensive rushing touchdown by the QB - good passing offense my ass)
Jets: 4-13
Panthers: 5-12
Giants: 4-13
Jets: 4-13
Saints: 9-8 (they won this game with 2 field goals, 1 interception return for a TD, and 1 passing touchdown - good passing offense my ass)
Patriots: 10-7 ( they won this game with 2 field goals, 1 interception returned for a TD, 1 fumble recover in the end zone for a TD, 1 passing TD, and 1 rushing TD - seems like the same Bears offensive scoring with just 2 TD)

Now for the “but you don’t have to score that much if you have that good of a defense. That’s why they won because of the defense” posse. Ok. What teams did that defense not stop and they ended up losing the game?

Bills: 11-6 playoff team with winning record
Raiders: 10-7 playoff team with winning record
Colts: 9-8 winning record
Bucs: 13-4 playoff team with winning record
Jaguars: 3-14 losing record
Falcons: 7-10 losing record
Bills: 11-6 playoff team with winning record
Titans: 12-5 playoff team with winning record

Seems like they can’t hang with the big boys. Look at how many total points they gave up on all those losses. 8 total teams they lost to and they gave up a total of 251 points in those 8 games. They got raped in some of those games.
I can’t believe I’m quoting George McCaskey but “they beat the teams they were suppose to beat”. And that’s where it stopped.

I mean their team sucks.

 

[Anytime23]

Correct. And who did they beat on that 8-1 run? Let’s go down the schedule starting with their first win on that run. Teams and final record.

Texans: 4-13
Raven: 8-9 (they won this game with 3 field goals, 1 fumble returned for a TD, and 1 offensive rushing touchdown by the QB - good passing offense my ass)
Jets: 4-13
Panthers: 5-12
Giants: 4-13
Jets: 4-13
Saints: 9-8 (they won this game with 2 field goals, 1 interception return for a TD, and 1 passing touchdown - good passing offense my ass)
Patriots: 10-7 ( they won this game with 2 field goals, 1 interception returned for a TD, 1 fumble recover in the end zone for a TD, 1 passing TD, and 1 rushing TD - seems like the same Bears offensive scoring with just 2 TD)

Now for the “but you don’t have to score that much if you have that good of a defense. That’s why they won because of the defense” posse. Ok. What teams did that defense not stop and they ended up losing the game?

Bills: 11-6 playoff team with winning record
Raiders: 10-7 playoff team with winning record
Colts: 9-8 winning record
Bucs: 13-4 playoff team with winning record
Jaguars: 3-14 losing record
Falcons: 7-10 losing record
Bills: 11-6 playoff team with winning record
Titans: 12-5 playoff team with winning record

Seems like they can’t hang with the big boys. Look at how many total points they gave up on all those losses. 8 total teams they lost to and they gave up a total of 251 points in those 8 games. They got raped in some of those games.
I can’t believe I’m quoting George McCaskey but “they beat the teams they were suppose to beat”. And that’s where it stopped.

Cool, you can read a stat sheet now stfu

thanks

 

[EDPeezy]

I’d bet there are multiple teams going after Flores.

 

[ZenBear34]

I’d bet there are multiple teams going after Flores.

For sure. If the standard for a head coach is getting the most out of your roster, he's easily the best candidate.

 

[EDPeezy]

He’s solid. He’s the only guy I’m 100% sure wouldn’t be a shit show. I could see it possibly going bad with a few of those guys because they’ve never been head coaches, so you never really know how they’ll handle it until they get the job. Or because they’re someone like a Frazier or Quinn.

 

[ijustposthere]

So you’re saying most of ccs isn’t incredibly stupid? Lol

CCS is like MENSA compared to the the general fan base.

Don't those two sentences contradict one another?

In all seriousness, I certainly believe there are a lot of fans who want former players as coaches in general. (Hell, I see the same at the college level and in other sports, more often than not calling for a guy with zero coaching experience).

But specific to Frzier, are Bears fans actually behind this idea? I guess I just assumed everyone knew it was a bad idea because he already coached and failed in our own division, is a generation past his prime, and is on the D side of the ball.

Yes, there are plenty of fans clamoring for him and Harbaugh.

 

[Aesopian]

To understand the defensive side of the ball you have to understand the offensive side and that goes both ways.

 

[Enasic]

You can’t argue with the results of Flores. It’s absolutely impressive. The rotating door of coordinators and chatter of being difficult to work with is concerning though. Glad the bears are bringing him in for an interview, but there’s definitely big question marks there.

This years pool really is short on candidates you feel great about. I think harbaugh is the closest to it, but he even brings some concerns. How much credit goes to Vic/Roman? Is harbaugh up to par with the current nfl game?

Traits I absolutely need in my HC

Accountability. Absolutely must hold guys accountable and demand respect

Adaptability/Leadership. You have to win in a variety of ways in the NFL. Need someone who not only has the willingness to adapt each week, but the ability to prep, install, and execute

Football acumen. I don’t want an offensive or defensive specialist. I’m looking for someone who has the right mind to oversee 3 phases, and make sure everything makes sense. Sure, they’ll likely have their specialty, but can’t be a noob in other facets.

Connections. Who you gonna get to round out your staff? Coordinators matter. The HC must be able to assemble a quality NFL staff.

Xs/0s. Attention to detail. Maximizing your personnel and adapting and putting your players in the best position to succeed. Seeing one step ahead.

Whoever I hire has to check all these boxes, and that would likely mean an established coach with experience. I get the impression George is also looking for an experienced guy. That would mean guys like Harbaugh, Pederson, Flores, Frazier, and I’m probably missing some guys. Out of that list, gimme Harbaugh

 

[onebud34]

I looked up Hue Jackson and he was 8-8 in his one year at Oakland, so I don't think he fits the category.
Steve spagnuolo second stint was end of season replacement for 4 games. Not in this category.
Mike Mularkey took over in his first season in Tenn half way through and then went 9-7 in the final 2 years. Not in this category.
Shurmur was crap in both his jobs, Right on!

Those were all I could think of off without looking it up. Moral of the story...most shitty head coaches that are shitty in the 1st stint...are shitty in their second stint and so on. The Bears should take a pass on Frazier and not look at hiring Pedo either. If Roman has the ability to facilitate a team, I'd be looking at him. But hopefully they figure out the GM situation first.

 

[Tillman33]

No, but if you can learn from your previous mistake, that’s probably a good idea.

I understand, I just think the reward is so great it’s worth it. Even if the Bears stink and he’s fired after 3 years, he’ll turn Fields into something

 

[remydat]

He’s been an OC longer than McVay was and he played in the league for years.

Doesn’t matter, he’ll probably go to the Jaguars.

It really seems that for certain people the Bar keeps moving.

1. Oh he doest call plays.

2. Well even if he called plays it is Brady's O.

3. Well even if he changed the Omto fit Brady and was there in 2019 with Winston, he wasnt the playcaller yet.

4. Well even if he called plays in 2019, it was still Arians O.

5. Well even if Arians admits he does very little with the O, it is Leftwich's fault Winston thru so many picks.

6. Well even if Ints arent really his fault he hasnt be a coach for long.

7. Well even if he coached for longer than McVay, McVay is white.

 

[ZenBear34]

It really seems that for certain people the Bar keeps moving.

1. Oh he doest call plays.

2. Well even if he called plays it is Brady's O.

3. Well even if he changed the Omto fit Brady and was there in 2019 with Winston, he wasnt the playcaller yet.

4. Well even if he called plays in 2019, it was still Arians O.

5. Well even if Arians admits he does very little with the O, it is Leftwich's fault Winston thru so many picks.

6. Well even if Ints arent really his fault he hasnt be a coach for long.

7. Well even if he coached for longer than McVay, McVay is white.

The problem is: If he called plays, how much of his success is due to Brady? James Winston had his worst season as a pro. He averaged 2 turnovers a game. Does the o.c bear no responsibility? Because as I have heard endlessly a player is only as good as his coach and a coach is required to alter his game plan if his approach isn't working or doesn't fit his players. That's why Nagy is so hated, right?

Is Leftwich for some reason not responsible for his quarterback's play? The Bucs DVOA was 23rd in 2019. They were 3rd in yards the year before Leftwich/Arians got there. And when you compare the quarterback numbers between 2018 and 2019, Winston and Fitzpatrick threw for more touchdowns, fewer interceptions and a higher YPA than under Leftwich.

 

[ZenBear34]

It really seems that for certain people the Bar keeps moving.

1. Oh he doest call plays.

2. Well even if he called plays it is Brady's O.

3. Well even if he changed the Omto fit Brady and was there in 2019 with Winston, he wasnt the playcaller yet.

4. Well even if he called plays in 2019, it was still Arians O.

5. Well even if Arians admits he does very little with the O, it is Leftwich's fault Winston thru so many picks.

6. Well even if Ints arent really his fault he hasnt be a coach for long.

7. Well even if he coached for longer than McVay, McVay is white.

Also, Leftwich has 5 years of coaching experience. McVay had 8 years of NFL coaching experience and one in college when he was hired. It's not just about being an o.c. He'd be the head coach. Experience matters. And I have no idea what McKay being white has to do with anything.

 

[kerschbs]

Leftwich and Hackett just scream Adam Gase to me

Guys who worked with one of the 3 best QBs in the league and were going to succeed no matter what

frankly I’m more impressed with Leftwichs job with Jameis than with Brady. That being said I’m not super high on him.