Off Season Moves

[R K]

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Scenario explained is by trading the contract. Each team has 2 buyouts. I contend Hossa could be one. Time will tell.</p>
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You can not trade the contract and then fear he will retire.  That then comes back to haunt the team that originally signed him.</p>


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Hossa can not be one of the two buy outs (per the louongo rule).  One he can not be bought out (see rule), two he can not be traded with the fact he could retire early.</p>

 

[PatrickShart]

So he can't be one of the 2 compliance buyouts?  I thought he (or Luongo) can be</p>


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I mean, Hossa's a nice player and all...but horrible contract hit at 5mil.  It wasn't worth 2 Cups.</p>

 

[roshinaya]

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agree</p>


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cups not even 24 hours won. no need to talk about next years team yet.</p>


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im still on my 67th viewing of the game highlites on TSN.</p>
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The fact that the draft is just a couple of days away means that it's possible that some members of the team might get shipped out.</p>

 

[WiHawksFan]

Going to be a short off season. Hard to believe preseason games start less than three months from now!!</p>

 

[roshinaya]

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You can not trade the contract and then fear he will retire.  That then comes back to haunt the team that originally signed him.</p>


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Hossa can not be one of the two buy outs (per the louongo rule).  One he can not be bought out (see rule), two he can not be traded with the fact he could retire early.</p>
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The Luongo rule doesn't stop buyouts. The rule, as the linked article explained, is just that the teams will be penalized for the cap savings they got with their back-diving contracts if the player happens to retire before the end of the contract. And you can trade these players, the penalty just gets adjusted accordingly. You can play around with these things here: http://capgeek.com/recapture-calculator/</p>

 

[roshinaya]

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Going to be a short off season. Hard to believe preseason games start less than three months from now!!</p>
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The ones who are getting off-season surgeries might not be ready for the start of the season. Hopefully the Hawks learn to pace their celebrations and not have such a bad Cup hangover. They can do it the right way when they win it again in 2014.</p>

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

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The Luongo rule doesn't stop buyouts. The rule, as the linked article explained, is just that the teams will be penalized for the cap savings they got with their back-diving contracts if the player happens to retire before the end of the contract. And you can trade these players, the penalty just gets adjusted accordingly. You can play around with these things here: http://capgeek.com/recapture-calculator/</p>
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Agree.</p>


You can buyout any player during the buyout period (which is June 15-30 this year).

Flyers will be paying on Bryz until 2027, just not as a cap hit.
Capgeek</p>

 

[The Count Dante]

I am of the same thoughts that Leddy and Bickell are the important "keeps". I would argue Leddy more than Bick as I personally feel Leddy will continue to develop to a premier O Dman.</p>

 

[Ashor-redtribe]

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So he can't be one of the 2 compliance buyouts?  I thought he (or Luongo) can be</p>


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I mean, Hossa's a nice player and all...but horrible contract hit at 5mil.  It wasn't worth 2 Cups.</p>
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 LMFAO!</p>

 

[Ashor-redtribe]

 Whom ever decides to leave for freeagency, the way I see it, there are going to be alot of other players out there  that are going to listen to what Chicago has to offer because they are still IMO the favorite to win it again. the team is in place to win many more cups.</p>

 

[GrimlockAutobot]

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Mayers - retire

Rozsival - depends if he wants to stay cap friendly hit

Kruger/Leddy will be qualified and back

Stalberg - bye

Bickell - if it's within cap structure

Emery - gone

Handzus - possibly retire

 

Possible trade - Bolland, Frolik

 

Back -

xxxxxx - Toews - Kane

Sharp - xxxxxx - Hossa

Saad - Shaw  - xxxxxx

Carcillo - Kruger - Frolik

Bollig

 

Keith - Seabrook

Oduya - Hjarrll

Leddy - Bookbank

xxxxxx

 

Craw

Raanta

 

Smith is on a one-way contract for 500K....Morin, Hayes, Pirri, Leblanc will all have an opportunity.

 

There will be some decent vets available with the buyouts as well.

 

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I agree with all of this except I think Leddy's gone and Frodo stays.

 

[Ashor-redtribe]

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I agree with all of this except I think Leddy's gone and Frodo stays.</p>
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I can't see Leddy gone, thats Stans boy and he brings a rare speed to the entry for a d man. I he is not going anywhere. </p>

 

[PatrickShart]

The only way Leddy goes is if they get a top 3 pick in return</p>


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People read into his ice time in the finals as if they're unhappy with him in some sense.  He's highly regarded in the organization</p>


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I'd be stunned if he's gone</p>


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Frolik...at 2.33 cap hit.....I like the guy, had an amazing playoffs and will be very attractive to some teams.  Could they find another 4th liner/PKer for less?</p>

 

[GrimlockAutobot]

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I can't see Leddy gone, thats Stans boy and he brings a rare speed to the entry for a d man. I he is not going anywhere.
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1) Leddy was in Q's doghouse during the Final.


2) Rumor has it that Bowman isn't happy with his agent after feeling like a bargaining chip during the Parise negotiations. (Leddy and Parise apparently. Share the same agent)


3) We already have too much money locked into the D especially with the cap shrinking.


4) Because of 1 and 2 above there's rumors flying that his rights may be traded during the draft.


5) Because of all of the above, Leddy is gone IMO

 

[R K]

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Agree.</p>


You can buyout any player during the buyout period (which is June 15-30 this year).

Flyers will be paying on Bryz until 2027, just not as a cap hit.
Capgeek</p>
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They can buy him out but they get penalized for doing so.  Least that was my understanding.</p>

 

[R K]

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1) Leddy was in Q's doghouse during the Final.


2) Rumor has it that Bowman isn't happy with his agent after feeling like a bargaining chip during the Parise negotiations. (Leddy and Parise apparently. Share the same agent)


3) We already have too much money locked into the D especially with the cap shrinking.


4) Because of 1 and 2 above there's rumors flying that his rights may be traded during the draft.


5) Because of all of the above, Leddy is gone IMO</p>
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Cap is not shrinking for us.  We are at the current Cap limit now.  It will also go up next year and from there forward.  It will not stay at 64mil. </p>


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Thats kind of a false statement.  I suppose if we were at the 70 mil it was supposed to be it would then be shrinking.</p>

 

[PatrickShart]

Leddy wasn't in a doghouse</p>


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Hjarll and Oduya around 3.5mil each is a bargain for 3-4 Dmen</p>


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Leddy isn't going to command 3mil like some people are freaking out about.  Not when Norris Winner Subban has a 2.8 mil cap hit...and Leddy hasn't hit his numbers</p>

 

[mikita's helmet]

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Leddy wasn't in a doghouse</p>


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Hjarll and Oduya around 3.5mil each is a bargain for 3-4 Dmen</p>


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Leddy isn't going to command 3mil like some people are freaking out about.  Not when Norris Winner Subban has a 2.8 mil cap hit...and Leddy hasn't hit his numbers</p>
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As you noted after game 4, astutely I might add, Q would be able to control the matchups more at home, Leddy's time went up to 6:53 in game 5 from 3:27 in game 4, backdown to 3:25 in game 6.</p>

 

[roshinaya]

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They can buy him out but they get penalized for doing so.  Least that was my understanding.</p>
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Nope. Philly just bought out Bryzgalov which was one of those long deals and there were no penalties.</p>

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

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Nope. Philly just bought out Bryzgalov which was one of those long deals and there were no penalties.</p>
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Wrong on Hossa.  You are correct in regards to Bryz.</p>


Hawks would get a cap hit.</p>


It's right there on capgeek. 
Hossa</p>