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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="R K" data-cid="203567" data-time="1372382678">
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Doubt it.   He lives in Chicago, Soon to be wife lives in Chicago, house is in Chicago, wedding in Chicago... I'm pretty sure he wants to stay in Chicago.</p>
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That wasn't my point that he wouldn't stay. </p>


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Discount from what?....is my question.</p>


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What is the base number....discount off of one dollar or discount off of 20 million dollars? </p>
 

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So yea... vinny....</p>


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Bet he would be a better 2C than Handzus... probably would take a discount to play on a Cup contender.</p>
 

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Montador and Olecz cleared waiver according to Darren Dreger's twitter feed.</p>
 

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We have $7.8 mil to sign 6 players, we are going to be losing players.</p>


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Bickell is gone I think, he will be fetching probably over $4 mil/year and I don't think we can afford that.  Detroit Sucks is a prime candidate for Bickell, god I hope he doesn't go that route if he leaves.  I would love to see him stay I just don't think we can afford to pay him what he is worth much less what he is going to be offered. </p>


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Mayers is going to retire I think.</p>


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Roszival will be gone.  He proved his worth when a lot of people thought Chicago was going out on a limb with him.  This off season has a big time shortage of quality D-Men, really only a couple of big time defensemen are going to be available which is going to greatly increase the demand for and cost of Roszival.  He's going to get a couple million a year I think, hell we pay Brookbank $1.3...</p>


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I think Handzus stays, he makes Hossa happy and he's a solid center which always brings value.   He has very limited time left and he knows Chicago is his best bet at another cup, plus did I mention Hossa is his buddy?</p>


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Emory is already gone, just hasn't been anounced yet.  Sorry to see too, but he's got very limited time left and Crawford is going to be the starter for a long time to come.  A 17-1 record will be well sought after by a few teams.</p>


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Stahlberg is probably going to be too expensive.</p>


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Kruger is probably gone, he will be worth more than we can afford too.</p>


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Moving Bolland would probably free up the money we need for either Kruger and Stahlberg or Bickell.</p>


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The good news is we are keeping a lot of players, the bad news is we are going to lose a few key guys.  It's hard to see anyone go, everyone was so critical to our success this season. </p>


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The Hawks are going to have to make room for Crawford's contract to more than double after next season.</p>


I cringe at the moves coming our way.</p>
 

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 Stalberg values his talents much more than Stan does. I don't think Stan will make an offer to him, and one of the utes from Rockford will fill his spot.</p>
 

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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="cplmac" data-cid="203686" data-time="1372515844">

Emory is already gone, just hasn't been anounced yet.  Sorry to see too, but he's got very limited time left and Crawford is going to be the starter for a long time to come.  A 17-1 record will be well sought after by a few teams.
 
Stahlberg is probably going to be too expensive.</p></blockquote>

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That wasn't my point that he wouldn't stay. </p>


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Discount from what?....is my question.</p>


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What is the base number....discount off of one dollar or discount off of 20 million dollars? </p>
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I doubt the difference would be 20 million.  Even if teams equally offered him 5 years there wouldn't be a 10 million difference let alone 20 million.  Crazy number to throw out there.  3-4 mil I would think(per year total), but even if it were 5 that's 10 million over the life of the contract.</p>
 

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We have $7.8 mil to sign 6 players, we are going to be losing players.--- Unless they trade Bolland and open up 4 more.</p>


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Bickell is gone I think, he will be fetching probably over $4 mil/year and I don't think we can afford that.  Detroit Sucks is a prime candidate for Bickell, god I hope he doesn't go that route if he leaves.  I would love to see him stay I just don't think we can afford to pay him what he is worth much less what he is going to be offered. </p>


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I think he stays.  3.5 mil per maybe...?</p>


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Mayers is going to retire I think.---  Gone for sure..</p>


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Roszival will be gone.  He proved his worth when a lot of people thought Chicago was going out on a limb with him.  This off season has a big time shortage of quality D-Men, really only a couple of big time defensemen are going to be available which is going to greatly increase the demand for and cost of Roszival.  He's going to get a couple million a year I think, hell we pay Brookbank $1.3...</p>


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May just retire, or may take less to stay and try for another Cup?</p>


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I think Handzus stays, he makes Hossa happy and he's a solid center which always brings value.   He has very limited time left and he knows Chicago is his best bet at another cup, plus did I mention Hossa is his buddy?</p>


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ACL problem not sure if he stays or goes at this problem.  Old, has Cup now.</p>


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Emory is already gone, just hasn't been anounced yet.  Sorry to see too, but he's got very limited time left and Crawford is going to be the starter for a long time to come.  A 17-1 record will be well sought after by a few teams.</p>


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Can't keep up with the rigors of a full season either way, is a back up goalie where ever he goes.  Hip replacement does that I suppose.</p>


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Stahlberg is probably going to be too expensive.</p>


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Gone no matter what the money is.  He disappeared and Q obviously has a problem with his attitude.</p>


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Kruger is probably gone, he will be worth more than we can afford too.</p>


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Doubt they let him go.  Part of the best PK in the league, still very young.  Hell he played in Rockford during the lockout.</p>


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Moving Bolland would probably free up the money we need for either Kruger and Stahlberg or Bickell.</p>


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Agreed, but Stalberg is gone either way.  Not even in their plans.  You have Pirri (led AHL in pts last yar), Morin and a couple other that deserve a shot.</p>


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The good news is we are keeping a lot of players, the bad news is we are going to lose a few key guys.  It's hard to see anyone go, everyone was so critical to our success this season. </p>


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As above our depth or Youth will need a shot sooner or later.</p>


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The Hawks are going to have to make room for Crawford's contract to more than double after next season.</p>


I cringe at the moves coming our way.</p>


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I don't cringe at all as 75% or more of the active Roster will be back not only next year but probably the year after.  The Cap is going to up next year without question.  The NHL's popularity is at an all time high, even with the lockout.  Crazy!  70 mil would not be out of the question next year IMO.</p>
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The SC Hangover will be what has me thinking about next year.  48 games in 98 days.  Another 23 games in 36 days after.</p>


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only 75 days until 13-14 Camp opens and a Summer with the Stanley Cup.  </p>
 

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I doubt the difference would be 20 million.  Even if teams equally offered him 5 years there wouldn't be a 10 million difference let alone 20 million.  Crazy number to throw out there.  3-4 mil I would think(per year total), but even if it were 5 that's 10 million over the life of the contract.</p>
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Missed the point again...</p>


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a discount off off 1 dollar or a discount off of 20 million dollar....those were arbitrary numbers I was throwing out there in trying to show a discount means nothing if you don't know what is the base the discount is coming off of.</p>


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I was just making a arbitrary statement on the meaning of "discount" and not denying Bickell will be here next season.</p>
 

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The Hawks should fire Q because he clearly doesn't know what he's doing.</p>


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Also need to buy out that horrible Hossa contract.</p>
 

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Florida will win a cup before Chicago wins another

Book it</p></blockquote>


With 3/4s of players from Hawk cup winning teams. Skille will be team captain.
 

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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="cplmac" data-cid="203686" data-time="1372515844">
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The Hawks are going to have to make room for Crawford's contract to more than double after next season.</p>


I cringe at the moves coming our way.</p>
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If it more than doubles, I would hope they don't sign him.</p>
 

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Thanks RK that clears the water a bit. I really hope they move Bolland, he is expensive for his consistency. Love him, but we need to fatten the wallet short term. If your impression of the Bickell situation off the ice holds that would be awesome, I think he's probably the most indespensible of the players we may lose this off season because he is one of the few guys on our team with the size and skill to play physically big with the upper echelon big teams in the league. Any word on his knee?
 

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I put Leddy as a priority before Bickell.</p>
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I'm sure it can be done as both being priorities.  The dollars are slotted for what they want the pay either player.  It's not like they have only 3m to spend and have to decide which one they will give it to.</p>
 

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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="cplmac" data-cid="203686" data-time="1372515844">
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We have $7.8 mil to sign 6 players, we are going to be losing players.</p>


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Bickell is gone I think, he will be fetching probably over $4 mil/year and I don't think we can afford that.  Detroit Sucks is a prime candidate for Bickell, god I hope he doesn't go that route if he leaves.  I would love to see him stay I just don't think we can afford to pay him what he is worth much less what he is going to be offered. </p>


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Mayers is going to retire I think.</p>


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Roszival will be gone.  He proved his worth when a lot of people thought Chicago was going out on a limb with him.  This off season has a big time shortage of quality D-Men, really only a couple of big time defensemen are going to be available which is going to greatly increase the demand for and cost of Roszival.  He's going to get a couple million a year I think, hell we pay Brookbank $1.3...</p>


 </p>


I think Handzus stays, he makes Hossa happy and he's a solid center which always brings value.   He has very limited time left and he knows Chicago is his best bet at another cup, plus did I mention Hossa is his buddy?</p>


 </p>


Emory is already gone, just hasn't been anounced yet.  Sorry to see too, but he's got very limited time left and Crawford is going to be the starter for a long time to come.  A 17-1 record will be well sought after by a few teams.</p>


 </p>


Stahlberg is probably going to be too expensive.</p>


 </p>


Kruger is probably gone, he will be worth more than we can afford too.</p>


 </p>


Moving Bolland would probably free up the money we need for either Kruger and Stahlberg or Bickell.</p>


 </p>


The good news is we are keeping a lot of players, the bad news is we are going to lose a few key guys.  It's hard to see anyone go, everyone was so critical to our success this season. </p>


 </p>


PS</p>


The Hawks are going to have to make room for Crawford's contract to more than double after next season.</p>


I cringe at the moves coming our way.</p>
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I'd wager you're wrong on the majority of this, but what do I know?</p>
 

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I keep Kruger, Bickell and Leddy</p>


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I love Bolland, but he will be traded</p>


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Bickell-Toews-Kane</p>


Sharp-Pirri/McNeill/Danault-Hossa</p>


Saad-Shaw-Morin</p>


Frolik-Kruger-Bollig/Carcillo</p>


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Seabrook-Keith</p>


Hammer-Oduya</p>


Leddy-Stanton/Olsen</p>


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Crawford</p>


Karlson/Raanta</p>


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That's still a cup team IMO</p>
 

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I'm sure it can be done as both being priorities.  The dollars are slotted for what they want the pay either player.  It's not like they have only 3m to spend and have to decide which one they will give it to.</p>
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I'm more just going on potential. Bickell is....Bickell at this point. Unless he has some sort of late growth spurt of talent, that's who he is. He was a great story in the playoffs, but a lot of Cup winning team has one or two of those stories or types of players that play crazy good. And a lot of GMs have buyers regret over paying guys for those stories years later. Leddy definitely can be better. I just wouldn't worry as much about keeping Bickell as I would be with keeping Leddy. Which I'm sure the Hawks know.</p>
 

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No way the Hawks let Kruger walk, especially since he's still an RFA. </p>


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7 million already under, plus 3.75 when Bolland leaves. </p>


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Leddy and Kruger need to be resigned. </p>


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Bickell is going to be asking for more than the Hawks can afford.  I'm not sold on him being a 2nd liner for the Hawks as much as everyone thinks he going to be. If he asks for more than 3.5 million, I let him walk. </p>


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Still need a backup goalie as I don't think Raanta is going to start in the NHL, especially with a 1.4 million dollar cap hit. </p>


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My guess is Leddy gets around 2.5-3 million and Kruger gets between 1.5-2 million.  Both still have a lot to prove for a larger contract.</p>
 

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