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[remydat]

The way he played after the Bears traded for him is irrelevant. Right.

Correct. He will largely be judged based on how he plays this year after a full offseason with Fields.

 

[dennehy]

Sure. I just dont think it is feasible for Tua to make that argument if he participated in the alleged back injury lie. In law that would be considered contributory negligence ie the injured plaintiff contributed to his alleged injuries via his complicity in lying about the alleged original head injury.

It's totally feasible. He's not a doctor and he didn't create the protocols. Tua isn't qualified to say whether he was concussed or not. Describing his symptoms or lack thereof isn't negligence.

 

[remydat]

I agree that the #1 WR on a team can come from whether they play the Y, X, Z or wherever they line up. I wasn't coming at you with that post even though i know my reply was to your post, i'm coming at anyone on here or every so called "draft expert" who's been saying there's no #1 WR's in this draft because as i said, nobody knows what these kids will be at the next level. Many times players, at all positions, are better in the NFL than they were in college because they go to a place that uses them in a way that's better for them and their talents. We just don't know until we see it.

This is a useless point. Everyone knows that some guys will always surprise. However that does not change the fact that for some there is no WR projected to be No 1. Just like people were down on the 2022 QB class but now it looks like Purdy may end up the best of the bunch.

 

[remydat]

It's totally feasible. He's not a doctor and he didn't create the protocols. Tua isn't qualified to say whether he was concussed or not. Describing his symptoms or lack thereof isn't negligence.

He is qualified to know the difference between his back and head. I am sorry but the symptoms of a head injury and back injury are vastly different. You cant just pretend that if it was a concussion that he did not lie to cover it up and is still in effect lying.

Part of fixing this problem is players have to stop lying. Even after this last concussion, Tua finished the game and then claimed symptoms only arose after the game was over and yet those symptoms still persist. Now maybe he is telling the truth but highly possible he lied or covered it up yet again because he wanted to finish the game and was only forced to reveal symptoms because it got really bad after the game.

 

[Dejo]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1619412654241742849

 

[dennehy]

He is qualified to know the difference between his back and head. I am sorry but the symptoms of a head injury and back injury are vastly different. You cant just pretend that if it was a concussion that he did not lie to cover it up and is still in effect lying.

Part of fixing this problem is players have to stop lying. Even after this last concussion, Tua finished the game and then claimed symptoms only arose after the game was over and yet those symptoms still persist. Now maybe he is telling the truth but highly possible he lied or covered it up yet again because he wanted to finish the game and was only forced to reveal symptoms because it got really bad after the game.

He's not qualified to tell if he has a concussion. In any circumstance. Patients don't diagnose themselves.

Even if he was, if he had a concussion that would impair his ability to tell.

 

[dabears70]

This is a useless point. Everyone knows that some guys will always surprise. However that does not change the fact that for some there is no WR projected to be No 1. Just like people were down on the 2022 QB class but now it looks like Purdy may end up the best of the bunch.

I give you my shield against the vortex.

 

[dabears70]

I'll take this offseason please.

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[maxhatter]

Zay’s gonna be good, man

Brady will stay on the East coast for his kids.

So since he lives in Miami, are you saying he's going to be playing for the dolphins?

 

[remydat]

He's not qualified to tell if he has a concussion. In any circumstance. Patients don't diagnose themselves.

Even if he was, if he had a concussion that would impair his ability to tell.

He is qualified to tell his symptoms. Again complaining about back pain is very different than the symptoms of a concussion. Part of diagnosis would be telling someone your symptoms so he would had to have lied about those symptoms.

Do you really think he said my head hurts and my vision is blurry but he and everyone concluded it was his back? And he played the whole 2nd half and gave a coherent interview afterwards?

In any event, he hasnt sued the NFL yet so let's see if he does.

 

[remydat]

I'll take this offseason please.

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No 2024 first round pick so no thanks.

 

[Canth]

He is qualified to tell his symptoms. Again complaining about back pain is very different than the symptoms of a concussion. Part of diagnosis would be telling someone your symptoms so he would had to have lied about those symptoms.

Do you really think he said my head hurts and my vision is blurry but he and everyone concluded it was his back? And he played the whole 2nd half and gave a coherent interview afterwards?

In any event, he hasnt sued the NFL yet so let's see if he does.

In general, I get what you are saying. You have to be up front and honest with the medical professionals to get the best and correct care.

However, one thing I will say from personal experience with concussions is that I had memory lapses. I literally have no idea what I said in the immediate time after the blow to my head. The worst one I ever had was I remember playing in a game (soccer), taking the hit onto the ground, and then suddenly I am sitting in my family's living room hours later going how the hell did I get here? I apparently got up, seemed fine, played the rest of the game, had conversations with people, dinner, etc. And I have no memory of any of that. I was just suddenly sitting on a couch going, wtf?

So, if it was a really bad concussion, you just never know. He may just not really know what the hell he was saying in the moments after the hit or have any memory of what he said. Now, once he is back in charge of his full consciousness, I agree that he needs to be upfront and honest in his self assessment and answering doctor's questions. The fact that he is still in the concussion protocol hopefully means that has been the case.

 

[maxhatter]

Correct. He will largely be judged based on how he plays this year after a full offseason with Fields.

I think you're right; even though I wasn't a fan of Claypool or the trade. However, if he has a good year next year nobody will care

 

[Les Grossman]

Umm we were talking about the first concussion against the Bills. He was never in the protocol that first game and then got a concussion against Cincy and then entered and exited that protocol. So he was out of concussion protocol for months and then he sustained this latest concussion.

So I am sorry but it is just asinine to suggest that all this time he was incapable of correcting the record about his first alleged concussion. Almost as asinine as trying to claim a guy allegedly had a concussion, could not tell the difference between a back and head injury but yet was aware enough to run a complex offense well enough to beat one of the best teams in the NFL.

If he truly had a concussion that first game he obviously lied about it and would know he lied about and would know he has continued to lie about it for months.

It’s the players job to diagnose concussions. He’s not liable because he doesn’t make those decisions.

Jesus you’re being so obtuse.

/remy vortex

 

[remydat]

In general, I get what you are saying. You have to be up front and honest with the medical professionals to get the best and correct care.

However, one thing I will say from personal experience with concussions is that I had memory lapses. I literally have no idea what I said in the immediate time after the blow to my head. The worst one I ever had was I remember playing in a game (soccer), taking the hit onto the ground, and then suddenly I am sitting in my family's living room hours later going how the hell did I get here? I apparently got up, seemed fine, played the rest of the game, had conversations with people, dinner, etc. And I have no memory of any of that. I was just suddenly sitting on a couch going, wtf?

So, if it was a really bad concussion, you just never know. He may just not really know what the hell he was saying in the moments after the hit or have any memory of what he said. Now, once he is back in charge of his full consciousness, I agree that he needs to be upfront and honest in his self assessment and answering doctor's questions. The fact that he is still in the concussion protocol hopefully means that has been the case.

I agree with all of of this but at this point he has never claimed any of the above in relation to the Buffalo hit so that makes any alleged lawsuit difficult as he again has had months to correct the record.

It’s the players job to diagnose concussions. He’s not liable because he doesn’t make those decisions.

Jesus you’re being so obtuse.

/remy vortex

No it is his job to accurately tell health professionals his symptoms. It is also his job to correct any statements he made once he is in position to do so.

At what point in all these months has Tua claimed the Buffalo hit was not a back injury or that he was mistaken? How can he possibly sue for the Buffalo hit when his position remains it was a back injury?

In order for their to be a case Tua has to come out and claim the buffalo injury was in fact a concussion which he has yet to do.

 

[dennehy]

He is qualified to tell his symptoms. Again complaining about back pain is very different than the symptoms of a concussion. Part of diagnosis would be telling someone your symptoms so he would had to have lied about those symptoms.

Do you really think he said my head hurts and my vision is blurry but he and everyone concluded it was his back? And he played the whole 2nd half and gave a coherent interview afterwards?

In any event, he hasnt sued the NFL yet so let's see if he does.

It doesn't matter what he said. Patients don't diagnose themselves. The whole point of having a protocol is to eliminate the subjectivity of the patients' or coaches' feelings.

He pretty clearly wants to play football, and he likely won't sue the NFL as long as he want s to play football.

 

[remydat]

It doesn't matter what he said. Patients don't diagnose themselves. The whole point of having a protocol is to eliminate the subjectivity of the patients' or coaches' feelings.

He pretty clearly wants to play football, and he likely won't sue the NFL as long as he want s to play football.

It does matter what he says if he is supposedly going to sue. He would have to come out and say it was not a back injury but a concussion. He would also have to explain when he thought that and when did the NFL allegedly know. Did he lie to cover it up? Was the NFL aware of the lie? Did he accurately explain his symptoms or did he cover them up.

I cant sue a doctor for malpractice and expect to win if I lied to him about my symptoms. He is going to rightfully argue his diagnosis and treatment was predicated on me telling him the truth of his symptoms.

You have no shot at winning a lawsuit on this without addressing how culpable Tua was in any misdiagnosis or fradulently diagnosis. You dont go after the NFL and their high powered lawyers hamfisted.

Like to make this simple, what info independent of Tua are you saying the NFL had to definitively conclude it was a concussion?

 

[dennehy]

It does matter what he says if he is supposedly going to sue. He would have to come out and say it was not a back injury but a concussion. He would also have to explain when he thought that and when did the NFL allegedly know. Did he lie to cover it up? Was the NFL aware of the lie? Did he accurately explain his symptoms or did he cover them up.

I cant sue a doctor for malpractice and expect to win if I lied to him about my symptoms. He is going to rightfully argue his diagnosis and treatment was predicated on me telling him the truth of his symptoms.

You have no shot at winning a lawsuit on this without addressing how culpable Tua was in any misdiagnosis or fradulently diagnosis. You dont go after the NFL and their high powered lawyers hamfisted.

Like to make this simple, what info independent of Tua are you saying the NFL had to definitively conclude it was a concussion?

He wouldn't have to say any of those things, because he isn't qualified to say if it's a concussion or not. His lawyers would have to demonstrate negligence on the part of the Dolphins or NFL.

Tua doesn't need to show that the NFL had proof it was a concussion. He would need to show that their process was negligent. And if it depends on a player accurately determining that he has a concussion, that seems like he's have a good chance of winning.

 

[Montucky]

Correct. He will largely be judged based on how he plays this year after a full offseason with Fields.

And would you be saying this if he was outstanding in a Bears uniform last year, or is this one of those things where you just have a narrative and aren't going to let anything get in the way of it?

 

[remydat]

He wouldn't have to say any of those things, because he isn't qualified to say if it's a concussion or not. His lawyers would have to demonstrate negligence on the part of the Dolphins or NFL.

Tua doesn't need to show that the NFL had proof it was a concussion. He would need to show that their process was negligent. And if it depends on a player accurately determining that he has a concussion, that seems like he's have a good chance of winning.

You didnt answer the question. What info are you claiming the NFL had indepedent of Tua that points definitively to a concussion or to a flaw in their process.

No the process does not depend on Tua diagnosing his concussion. Like any medical evaluation that isnt obvious, it is based on the patient accurately describing symptoms. There is a reason you provide a medical history and a doctor interviews you to determine symptoms when you see them. It is sometimes critical to the diagnosis and treatment.

There is a difference between a process being flawed and a process being grossly negligent in a tortious sense. Not sure how you expect the NFL to diagnosis a concusion if Tua only complained of back pain and had no obvious symptoms of a concussion or lied about those symptoms.