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rawdawg said:
I still think he's the #1 WR in this draft, but that probably says more about this draft class than anything else. He's frankly got a body type that hasn't been really successful at the NFL level. There's like Tee Higgins and AJ Green, but guys with his height/weight combination otherwise haven't been that good. He has the "go up and get it" size, arm length, catch radius, and probably jumping ability, but he just doesn't high point the ball. He doesn't utilize his whole catch radius and doesn't catch with his hands. That being said, he's big, will run fast, and jump out of the stadium.

The main reason I don't want the Bears to draft him is because of Claypool. I don't think his skillset matches up well with Mooney and Claypool. One of the 3 would always be in the slot when they are on the field, and none of them are best there. Johnston would be the worst in the slot, but he'd also likely be the worst on the outside. If the Bears add a WR, he needs to be either really good in the slot (Smith-Njigba, Flowers, and I like Rashee Rice there), or he needs to be dominant enough on the outside that you don't mind Mooney/Claypool there more because you still have that outside presence. I don't think Johnston is ready to be that yet.
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I respect your opinion on this stuff because I think you're much more in touch with college than most and like reading your opinions on draft prospects. Admittedly, I did not have a ton of time to pay attention to college this year. From the games I did see, I just came away very unimpressed with Quentin. He is that big body WR like you describe and 100% agree it would be like a cloned Claypool. I saw a lot of body catching and not attacking with his hands. I disagree that he's the #1 WR in this draft. Call me crazy, but when I watched Quentin I couldn't help but think of Kelvin Benjamin for some reason (how's that for a blast from the past). Now, Kelvin had some weight issues and maybe injuries? Had a couple productive seasons and fell off the map. I just don't think he's the WR the Bears need right now like you mentioned.

Bears needs a tactician with a solid route tree. A possession WR who can move the chains and be a go to over the middle. Let Mooney and Claypool stretch the field. I really like JSN - and personally believe, despite all the risks involved with him, he has the best ability to be a WR1 out of this class. If the Bears can find a way to land him I would be ecstatic (until training camp, when he has a hamstring issue lol). I don't know much about Flowers or Rice, but I'll take your word on them.
 
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remydat said:

NFL-NFLPA joint statement on investigation into handling of Dolphins QB Tua Tagovailoa's concussion protocol

The parties have completed their joint review of the application of the NFL’s Concussion Protocol following the injury to Miami Dolphins Quarterback Tua Tagovailoa during their game on September 25, 2022.
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The statement makes clear Tua blamed his stumbling on the back and ankle injuries and did not complain of any symptoms consistent with a concussion. He passed the concussion exam.

They fired him because of public reaction and he was a convenient scapegoat. He followed their protocols and nothing in the record claims Tua had a concussion. This is a joint statememt so the NFLPA signed off on their conclusions contained therein.

So again any lawsuit would have to actually start by producing some evidence of a concussion as none was presented and get around the fact that Tua is on record blaming back and ankle injuries and not claiming any concussion like symptoms.
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It says right in the report that the protocols had to be changed based on the case. The doctor was fired based on the case. The statement says nothing about tua, except what he reported as he was being examined. The lawsuit would not have to start by producing evidence of a concussion. It would be about the league's process and how it made him vulnerable.

I don't know if that would be enough to win, obviously, but I suspect if it played out like the NFL would settle rather than go through a public trial. I admit that's fully speculation.

This gives a breakdown of what a lawsuit would look like and obstacles, and also say the doc was fired by the NFLPA, not the NFL. It's about process:
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NFL Concussion Protocol Revision Could Impact Tua’s Legal Options

In the aftermath of Tua Tagovailoa’s concussion and questionable medical treatment, the NFL and NFLPA revised their concussion protocol, a move that could have legal ramifications should the Miami Dolphins’ quarterback contemplate a lawsuit. Last Saturday, the league and union issued a joint...
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It says right in the report that the protocols had to be changed based on the case. The doctor was fired based on the case. The statement says nothing about tua, except what he reported as he was being examined. The lawsuit would not have to start by producing evidence of a concussion. It would be about the league's process and how it made him vulnerable.

I don't know if that would be enough to win, obviously, but I suspect if it played out like the NFL would settle rather than go through a public trial. I admit that's fully speculation.

This gives a breakdown of what a lawsuit would look like and obstacles, and also say the doc was fired by the NFLPA, not the NFL. It's about process:
sports.yahoo.com

NFL Concussion Protocol Revision Could Impact Tua’s Legal Options

In the aftermath of Tua Tagovailoa’s concussion and questionable medical treatment, the NFL and NFLPA revised their concussion protocol, a move that could have legal ramifications should the Miami Dolphins’ quarterback contemplate a lawsuit. Last Saturday, the league and union issued a joint...
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Yeah, as noted in that article, for any lawsuit filed, the NFL will immediately try to force in to arbitration where they have control of the process. It would be a massive uphill battle to win anything there.
 
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Canth said:
Yeah, as noted in that article, for any lawsuit filed, the NFL will immediately try to force in to arbitration where they have control of the process. It would be a massive uphill battle to win anything there.
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I thought the most interesting part of the article was the idea of suing the NFL and the NFLPA for essentially settling on a flawed process.

You're right, legally it would be an uphill battle but I think the public opinion angle would weigh very heavily on the NFL with this one.
 
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Also, not for nothing, but I think a lot of the issues with discussing X receiver vs. #1 receiver is that I think X has become euphemistic for #1! I’ll have conversations with people, and they’ll be like we need an X receiver. And I’m like we have two: Claypool and EQ. They’ll look at me and be like, yeah but they’re not a #1. And I’m like no shit. But, they’re both serviceable big-bodied Xs that can block. If we had a serviceable slot or Move TE, they’d be perfect for getting him free.

So, a lot of the issue with this draft is that there is no one dude that pops off the page. Its most prevalent position is usually the third valued, and I wouldnt grab any of the the top dudes before the 20th pick. In this draft class, relative to value, we shouldn’t pick a WR before the third round. There are 3 TEs I’d take before the first WR! I can be argued into making the list 4. There are 2 RBs that I’d take before the 1st WR that either of which are better WRs than the top in this class, who spent the year injured (yes, JSN).

So, I digressed, but, yeah, I think a lot of the issues is the talking heads using the position terms like X are being aped by fans who really don’t know the difference.
 
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Quentin Johnson reminds me of Devante Parker.

A solid big WR who won't live up to a high selection. More like a second rounder. Good linear athlete, huge catch radius, will struggle a little with press coverage and releases, not gonna get tons of separation.
 
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