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I don't understand how he says Fields is mediocre, but then in the next breath says teams should be calling the Bears to get Fields to their franchise.
 

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Yes we all know it's because they throw more and because of Daboll who's a much better offensive mind than Getsy is. Simply saying that besides RB the Bears had more/better offensive talent than the Giants did.

But he didn't because the Bears WR graded out as the worst in the NFL. Period. PFF is telling us that the Giants did a better job of their WRs getting open despite them not having big names. The further stupidity of your argument is you are bringing up Claypool when he barely played with Fields. They had about 100 snaps all year. Even Mooney had only 312 snaps whereas Slayton had 480. So Slayton alone had more snaps than Mooney and Claypool combined in the passing game. So part of the reason the Bears WRs were the worst graded in the NFL is there were way too many snaps where Fields had to play with ESB and Dante Pettis.
 

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I don't understand how he says Fields is mediocre, but then in the next breath says teams should be calling the Bears to get Fields to their franchise.
The same shit Mike Tannenbaum keeps regurgitating. Fields isn't good enough for the worst team in the NFL but other teams should definitely trade for him!

But imagine taking anything Cowherd says seriously when every week he flips his opinion.
 

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I don't understand how he says Fields is mediocre, but then in the next breath says teams should be calling the Bears to get Fields to their franchise.
The worst part is he's purposely disingenuous with his takes and stat picking.

-He took the last 5 games stats which is a super small sample size
-Mentions Claypool + Mooney as being better than the NYG WR core but they were both out a good length of those games
-The OL take is crap and has been brought up, they rated good as run blocking and terrible pass blocking
-Buffalo game was a freaky weather game in which Josh Allen's cannon arm couldn't cut it through the wind
-Lions game was absolute trash, so if you want to value that game over the 8-10 games previous to that in which he was awesome, go ahead but it would be foolish to do

It's just trolling for attention/views because we're in this position and a huge media market and lame as hell.
 

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I don't understand how he says Fields is mediocre, but then in the next breath says teams should be calling the Bears to get Fields to their franchise.
Because he's not only talking about how good or bad Fields can become but also talking about the situation the Bears are in right now. They're in a total rebuild which will take at least, at least, two years to get this team relevant which is when Fields will be ready for a new contract that can be anywhere in the $35 to $45 mil per year range. So he's saying it might be the smarter route to just go draft a new QB so you have him on a rookie contract and will give you the cap space to give that new QB the weapons he needs around him. No matter how much any of us believe in Fields it still makes sense to go that route. Not saying we should go that route but it absolutely makes sense and should be looked at seriously by Poles and i think it will be or already has been.
 
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The worst part is he's purposely disingenuous with his takes and stat picking.

-He took the last 5 games stats which is a super small sample size
-Mentions Claypool + Mooney as being better than the NYG WR core but they were both out a good length of those games
-The OL take is crap and has been brought up, they rated good as run blocking and terrible pass blocking
-Buffalo game was a freaky weather game in which Josh Allen's cannon arm couldn't cut it through the wind
-Lions game was absolute trash, so if you want to value that game over the 8-10 games previous to that in which he was awesome, go ahead but it would be foolish to do

It's just trolling for attention/views because we're in this position and a huge media market and lame as hell.
He was only awesome running the ball. He even says Fields is dynamic running the ball, shit the whole world knows he's dynamic running the ball, but there's huge question marks still with his passing game and decision making. He even says he's still 60-40 in favor of Fields will be just fine. We aren't doing the kind of winning we want with a QB that is great at running the ball but not so great passing it or doesn't make good decisions in the passing game. Dak Prescott makes bad decisions in the passing game.
 

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Because he's not only talking about how good or bad Fields can become but also talking about the situation the Bears are in right now. They're in a total rebuild which will take at least, at least, two years to get this team relevant which is when Fields will be ready for a new contract that can be anywhere in the $35 to $45 mil per year range. So he's saying it might be the smarter route to just go draft a new QB so you have him on a rookie contract and will give you the cap space to give that new QB the weapons he needs around him. No matter how much any of us believe in Fields it still makes sense to go that route.

Trading away Fields and having your rookie QB bust is a good way to get fired. Especially if Fields has success elsewhere

The smarter play would be to give Justin this season and make a change if necessary next season
 

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Trading away Fields and having your rookie QB bust is a good way to get fired. Especially if Fields has success elsewhere

The smarter play would be to give Justin this season and make a change if necessary next season
On the first sentence, absolutely it's taking a huge chance and could be a decision that gets you fired.

The problem with giving Fields another year and he doesn't take any real steps forward in the passing game is his value takes a huge hit so it'll be harder to trade him for the kind of value you'd want in return.

I've said over a month ago that we should make the trade down and make sure we get draft picks in 2024 so we can go after C.Williams or D.Maye in the 2024 draft if Fields doesn't take the steps forward in the passing game.
 

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Trading away Fields and having your rookie QB bust is a good way to get fired. Especially if Fields has success elsewhere

The smarter play would be to give Justin this season and make a change if necessary next season
This is a good point. If Poles adds a bunch of pieces around Justin and he's not good enough, it isn't on Poles. It would be Pace's pick and he could show he put forth the effort to try to make Fields work. That buys him another few years with his handpicked QB.

And I know they won't have the #1 pick again (most likely), but they can conceivably have two #1s next year to move up, and if Fields is bad that's likely a top 10 pick w/ additional potential that the team that trades up is top 10 bad as well.
 

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On the first sentence, absolutely it's taking a huge chance and could be a decision that gets you fired.

The problem with giving Fields another year and he doesn't take any real steps forward in the passing game is his value takes a huge hit so it'll be harder to trade him for the kind of value you'd want in return.

I've said over a month ago that we should make the trade down and make sure we get draft picks in 2024 so we can go after C.Williams or D.Maye in the 2024 draft if Fields doesn't take the steps forward in the passing game.
While this is all true, I think Fields' trade value is the least of our worries. If he fails, that would be a bigger issue than not getting anything for him. That being said, the Jets got a 2nd for Darnold. I don't see any way Fields goes for less than that as at least he has an 1100 yards rushing season on his resume to fall back on.
 

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This is a good point. If Poles adds a bunch of pieces around Justin and he's not good enough, it isn't on Poles. It would be Pace's pick and he could show he put forth the effort to try to make Fields work. That buys him another few years with his handpicked QB.

And I know they won't have the #1 pick again (most likely), but they can conceivably have two #1s next year to move up, and if Fields is bad that's likely a top 10 pick w/ additional potential that the team that trades up is top 10 bad as well.
If Poles passes up on any of the QB's in this draft and any of them have a good/great rookie season and Fields doesn't look good then it's absolutely on Poles. He also had the chance to put more weapons around Fields last offseason and chose not to, he also had the chance to hire an offensive minded HC, like Daboll, and he didn't, he also had the chance to hire a new OC that has actually been a play caller before and he decided to hire a first timer for that.
 

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While this is all true, I think Fields' trade value is the least of our worries. If he fails, that would be a bigger issue than not getting anything for him. That being said, the Jets got a 2nd for Darnold. I don't see any way Fields goes for less than that as at least he has an 1100 yards rushing season on his resume to fall back on.
Mostly true but still a big difference in getting a 1st rounder plus for him to getting a 2nd round pick. Draft picks are always valuable but even more for us right now with how bare this team is of starting level players.
 

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If Poles passes up on any of the QB's in this draft and any of them have a good/great rookie season and Fields doesn't look good then it's absolutely on Poles. He also had the chance to put more weapons around Fields last offseason and chose not to, he also had the chance to hire an offensive minded HC, like Daboll, and he didn't, he also had the chance to hire a new OC that has actually been a play caller before and he decided to hire a first timer for that.
Good points, but honestly I don't see ownership blaming Poles for NOT moving on from Fields this year. They clearly love him. He clearly showed flashes, so I don't think he would be at fault for not taking a huge gamble on an unknown.

As for not putting weapons around Fields last offseason, I think if Fields isn't good enough that helps Poles' case. He can say "see, that's why I didn't go all in on him 1st season".

The HC thing is interesting. I feel like Flus would have to really screw up as well for them to blame Poles for picking the wrong coach. If that's the case, then everyone would be on the hot seat, but I still think Poles would be more by association.
 

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Mostly true but still a big difference in getting a 1st rounder plus for him to getting a 2nd round pick. Draft picks are always valuable but even more for us right now with how bare this team is of starting level players.
Yeah, I understand that. I'm just saying, if Fields is bad next year, the response won't be "Damn, we could have gotten a 1st for him in March". The response will be more about Fields being bad in general. And the options are a 5'10" QB, a big QB with bad stats and a QB from the same program as Fields. It makes even more sense that way to wait for next year's QB class, just in case.

And draft picks are valuable, but not as valuable as having an actual QB. Which is why teams will trade multiple draft picks for the #1 pick this year. And why the Bears having multiple early draft picks next year is the goal.
 

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Good points, but honestly I don't see ownership blaming Poles for NOT moving on from Fields this year. They clearly love him. He clearly showed flashes, so I don't think he would be at fault for not taking a huge gamble on an unknown.

As for not putting weapons around Fields last offseason, I think if Fields isn't good enough that helps Poles' case. He can say "see, that's why I didn't go all in on him 1st season".

The HC thing is interesting. I feel like Flus would have to really screw up as well for them to blame Poles for picking the wrong coach. If that's the case, then everyone would be on the hot seat, but I still think Poles would be more by association.
I don't know anything about the blame game and what everyone over Poles would say or think about him behind closed doors because i'll never know but part of his job is the draft and getting the moves right. Every GM takes the blame for missing on draft picks especially early ones, like Ryan Pace, so Poles should be held to the same.

Not going all in on helping Fields could be part of the reason why Fields did fail so that would be on Poles for hurting his growth. Having a young QB running for their life on 70% of the passing downs could absolutely hurt that QB's mentality.

We could go back and forth on this but don't really want to because there's always going to be good and bad things to say about this whole Fields situation since Poles got here.

If we hired Daboll we would absolutely know more about Fields' passing game right now.
 

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Yeah, I understand that. I'm just saying, if Fields is bad next year, the response won't be "Damn, we could have gotten a 1st for him in March". The response will be more about Fields being bad in general. And the options are a 5'10" QB, a big QB with bad stats and a QB from the same program as Fields. It makes even more sense that way to wait for next year's QB class, just in case.

And draft picks are valuable, but not as valuable as having an actual QB. Which is why teams will trade multiple draft picks for the #1 pick this year. And why the Bears having multiple early draft picks next year is the goal.
A 5'10" QB with a great football IQ and a big QB who was great in 2021 when he had a OL and average in 2022 when he was running for his life, Stroud scares me and i don't think i'd want to trade Fields only to draft another Ohio St QB right @Bust?
 

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The worst part is he's purposely disingenuous with his takes and stat picking.

-He took the last 5 games stats which is a super small sample size
-Mentions Claypool + Mooney as being better than the NYG WR core but they were both out a good length of those games
-The OL take is crap and has been brought up, they rated good as run blocking and terrible pass blocking
-Buffalo game was a freaky weather game in which Josh Allen's cannon arm couldn't cut it through the wind
-Lions game was absolute trash, so if you want to value that game over the 8-10 games previous to that in which he was awesome, go ahead but it would be foolish to do

It's just trolling for attention/views because we're in this position and a huge media market and lame as hell.
If you say that the earth is round, nobody will care.
But you will draw plenty of attention stating that its flat.
He is a walking contradiction and he doesnt even care.

When comparing JF to Jones he wont tell you that Jones was in is 4th season.
Then he says that Hurts made a tremendous leap from y1 to y2… Stats shows that JF improved more.
He is a click whore.
 

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