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I like the defensive signings alright but not the Powers/Taylor signings
Disagree on Taylor, I think that is going to be more than he gets in the free market but the Bears can afford to overbid. Get the guy who you know will start and draft a depth player, or a tackle who can also compete with Jones for LT (who someone who will be both!)

Just think that three of our OL positions need FA help in the short term and draft help for depth in that time and to possible start in the near future. RT is a glaring hole and while I personally favor some of the tackles in this draft, Taylor seems to be the kind of FA signing that would solve this issue for the entirety of that proposed contract.
 

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And Mahomes was supposed to be another Cutler. Hurts was a 2nd rounder. Few people saw Allen becoming what he’s become. Herbert exploded as a rookie. Mitch Tribusky was somehow a top pick. People were saying Watson wouldn’t translate. Point being, every year we hear “This QB class is weak” or “This QB is amazing” and seemingly it’s never what the consensus claim and there’s surprises. I’m not even saying Stroud or Young are going to be amazing, but it’s a complete crap shoot for the most part
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How would you guys feel about that? Still gotta also pay some on house doodz.

This is sloppy.

It's Vildor's last year under contract and he has almost no guaranteed $, Post June 1 cut does nothing. Also why cut a cheap player who is right now a starter and probably will wind up a decent backup, without replacing him?

Those contracts aren't going to pay out evenly over time, so the actual cap hit would be much lower than he is suggesting. There are also many other positions that need to be filled that would cost money against the cap.

I hope that the Bears don't give Arden Key a 4 year contract. I also don't think that either of those OL is a very good fit for zone, not at the price. I don't think they will spend that much on Okereke.
 

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How would you guys feel about that? Still gotta also pay some on house doodz.

Arden Key for 4 years is a bit much, and I'm not much of a Ben Powers guy. He seems more like a power player who doesn't move well enough to be ideal in the Bears offense.

No reason to cut Vildor before training camp. He makes nothing. Give him a shot to be a top 6 CB, if not then cut him in camp. Money isn't a consideration.

No reason to June 1, Whitehair. That saves more money this year, but it pushes dead cap into next year. There's no reason to do that when you have 100M cap space. Future space is more important as they have more than enough this year.
 

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This is sloppy.

It's Vildor's last year under contract and he has almost no guaranteed $, Post June 1 cut does nothing. Also why cut a cheap player who is right now a starter and probably will wind up a decent backup, without replacing him?

Those contracts aren't going to pay out evenly over time, so the actual cap hit would be much lower than he is suggesting. There are also many other positions that need to be filled that would cost money against the cap.

I hope that the Bears don't give Arden Key a 4 year contract. I also don't think that either of those OL is a very good fit for zone, not at the price. I don't think they will spend that much on Okereke.
I guess I should have read this before I commented. Beat me to almost the same conclusion.
 

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Justin Fields is my guy and I think that Poles should be tried for some made up version of Bears Treason should he trade the young man, but if you list his total TDs as a pro, you have to list total turnovers and not exclusively INTs as a con.

All that said, I genuinely am not that thrilled about any QB prospect in this draft. If we didnt have Fields on this team, I would be complaining about how useless the first overall pick is in a draft without a QB worth the pick. Stroud and Young are first rounders for sure, but not the prospects that Lawrence and Fields were. I would rather draft DL at 1 overall than draft Stroud or Young.

I could be reading this wrong, but they are not listing his total TD’s as a pro. They are highlighting his performance vs 2022 playoff teams specifically. So, it was showing he was very efficient passing and then the total TD is he was a playmaker vs playoff teams. He put up points on them.
 

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Disagree on Taylor, I think that is going to be more than he gets in the free market but the Bears can afford to overbid. Get the guy who you know will start and draft a depth player, or a tackle who can also compete with Jones for LT (who someone who will be both!)

Just think that three of our OL positions need FA help in the short term and draft help for depth in that time and to possible start in the near future. RT is a glaring hole and while I personally favor some of the tackles in this draft, Taylor seems to be the kind of FA signing that would solve this issue for the entirety of that proposed contract.
If they are going to sign a RT, Taylor is basically perfect for what the Bears should want. First of all, he's 25 and will be until late into the 2023 season. Secondly, he's a true RT who has only played RT and is a better pass blocker than a run blocker. The Bears need pass protection first and foremost, and I believe a move to outside zone would help his run blocking.

Also of note, he has never missed a game in his 4-year career. In fact, he has only missed 26 total snaps, all of which came this year! Most of those missed snaps came in Weeks 16 & 17 in blowout wins where Jags rested their starters late since those games didn't really matter in the playoff race.
 

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It also a lot of money for Arden Key.
I agree. I like Key as a player but would prefer a bit lower of a deal. My assumption is that even though it’s a 4 year deal, there would be some type of out before then as most deals are structured that way. In a vacuum though, I like the addition.
 

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I could be reading this wrong, but they are not listing his total TD’s as a pro. They are highlighting his performance vs 2022 playoff teams specifically. So, it was showing he was very efficient passing and then the total TD is he was a playmaker vs playoff teams. He put up points on them.
You arent reading it wrong, you are either reading me incorrectly or I am not being clear enough.

His performances for total yards and total touchdowns should be listed when talking about his playmaking ability. But when comparing his total touchdowns - rushing and passing - they are posting misleading material by comparing it only to turnovers as a passer.

It is a fun stat to show but I think it would be a better complete picture if they at least included fumbles lost. He only lost two last year and one was to NYG. It is still boasting to show that he lost only one fumble against a playoff team too.
 

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I'm not really a fan of the idea of loading up on a big quantity of good-not-great free agent veterans with limited upside from other teams. Especially ones that play non-premium positions and absolutely not with multi-year guaranteed commitments.

That guy's idea shackles the Bears to players you will be waiting to cut as cap casualties as soon as this time next year. Solves nothing long term and adds no elite talent while doing nothing to address the real issues at wide receiver, tight end, edge rusher, left tackle and quarterback (aka all the positions that matter). If that's the Bears plan on spending their cap then they might as well have extended Roquan Smith.
 

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So Palmer says he would invest in playmakers to put around fields and not OL and says Fields gets rid of the ball quickly. Hmmmmmmm
I mean, I kind of agree. Between Jenkins, Jones, and Patrick/Whitehair, the Bears could be decent at 3-4 spots on the OL if healthy. They could build depth on day 2 of the draft and mid-tier FAs like Dillard and Wylie. Wouldn't be ideal, but it may be enough.

The issue is that what playmakers are they going to get? We've talked about the WR FA class being very weak. A 2nd TE isn't really a big thing as a receiver in this offense. And it sounds like the top FA RBs are going to get franchise tagged (Barkley, Jacobs, Pollard). So where are these playmakers coming from? Can't force a team to trade a player, but I think that's something the Bears would explore for sure.

Plus, the thing is....the Bears have the money and assets (assuming they trade the 1st pick) to do both. Doesn't have to be an either/or situation between weapons and OL, assuming there are viable weapons even available.
 

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