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BaBaBlacksheep said:
How many times do we have to see teams in “cap hell” successfully maneuver out of it before we realize it’s overrated?

I mean yes the cap exists. Yes it affects what teams do. But it’s also severely overblown every year.
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Well I guess it depends on what you mean by hell. There is a difference between say the Rams kicking the can down the road to pay for studs like Donald and Kuup vs the Jags doing it for Ingram and Key.

Cap hell to me is having to constantly restructure or cut players just to maintain a competitive but ultimately limited team with no real potential to challenge for a SB.

Unless the Jags find some actual studs to give alot of money too beyond Lawrence they are going to be stuck in a bit of no man's land. Too good to get top draft picks but not good enough to really challenge for a SB unless Lawrence goes God mode ala Flacco that one postseason.
 

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Well I guess it depends on what you mean by hell. There is a difference between say the Rams kicking the can down the road to pay for studs like Donald and Kuup vs the Jags doing it for Ingram and Key.

Cap hell to me is having to constantly restructure or cut players just to maintain a competitive but ultimately limited team with no real potential to challenge for a SB.

Unless the Jags find some actual studs to give alot of money too beyond Lawrence they are going to be stuck in a bit of no man's land. Too good to get top draft picks but not good enough to really challenge for a SB unless Lawrence goes God mode ala Flacco that one postseason.
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Yeah, cap hell is only an issue if your team can't draft well enough to keep replenishing the young, cheap talent. The Rams are probably in a bit of trouble because they don't have the early picks, but they have drafted in the middle rounds well, and like you said are paying absolute studs.

The Saints are paying pretty good players too, but they haven't drafted well enough in the last few years to stay out of purgatory (not good enough for a SB run, not bad enough for top of the draft).

Jags may be fine as they do pretty well drafting OL. And they've spent money on guys to help Lawrence (assuming they sign Engram as well). So at least they have a workable formula. It'll be interesting to see how they pick if they win a bad division a few years in a row and they're picking in the 20s instead of picking can't miss guys in the top 5 every year.
 
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rawdawg said:
Yeah, cap hell is only an issue if your team can't draft well enough to keep replenishing the young, cheap talent. The Rams are probably in a bit of trouble because they don't have the early picks, but they have drafted in the middle rounds well, and like you said are paying absolute studs.

The Saints are paying pretty good players too, but they haven't drafted well enough in the last few years to stay out of purgatory (not good enough for a SB run, not bad enough for top of the draft).

Jags may be fine as they do pretty well drafting OL. And they've spent money on guys to help Lawrence (assuming they sign Engram as well). So at least they have a workable formula. It'll be interesting to see how they pick if they win a bad division a few years in a row and they're picking in the 20s instead of picking can't miss guys in the top 5 every year.
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Their big issue is Allen has stalled a bit and it appears they should have drafted Hutchison over Walker. They really need to find their version of Chris Jones to really lead and anchor that D. Not meaning same position but just a true impact player on D.
 
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remydat said:
Well I guess it depends on what you mean by hell. There is a difference between say the Rams kicking the can down the road to pay for studs like Donald and Kuup vs the Jags doing it for Ingram and Key.

Cap hell to me is having to constantly restructure or cut players just to maintain a competitive but ultimately limited team with no real potential to challenge for a SB.

Unless the Jags find some actual studs to give alot of money too beyond Lawrence they are going to be stuck in a bit of no man's land. Too good to get top draft picks but not good enough to really challenge for a SB unless Lawrence goes God mode ala Flacco that one postseason.
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I agree, I don't like Jacksonville's position going forward. They had a nice season but it wasn't such a nice season that it was worth the commitments they made. They need to improve significantly to take the next step, which is either going to take Trevor Lawrence making the jump to bonafide superstar or some draft luck.

St. Louis is in cap hell and loving every minute of it. If you get the the ring that is all that matters. Already they are scheming their way into trading veterans away and rebuilding.
 
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gobullschi said:
I’d rather swap Whitehair for Nelson than get Buckner.
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Buckner is a top 7 IDL in the league, probably top 5. And consistent. And plays the most important position in this defense.

He would probably the be the best player at any position the Bears could realistically get this offseason.
 

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dennehy said:
Buckner is a top 7 IDL in the league, probably top 5. And consistent. And plays the most important position in this defense.

He would probably the be the best player at any position the Bears could realistically get this offseason.
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He will also be 29 years old at the start of the season. He’s a nice player, I just don’t think he fits the Bears timeline. Would rather they acquire a younger player if a player is going to be included in a trade down.
 
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dennehy said:
Buckner is a top 7 IDL in the league, probably top 5. And consistent. And plays the most important position in this defense.

He would probably the be the best player at any position the Bears could realistically get this offseason.
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And there's zero % chance that Indy tears down anything from their offense when they're bringing in a new franchise QB.

Cooks would be another player who'd potentially come here imo.
 
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gobullschi said:
He will also be 29 years old at the start of the season. He’s a nice player, I just don’t think he fits the Bears timeline. Would rather they acquire a younger player if a player is going to be included in a trade down.
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His game isn't likely to deteriorate over 3-4 years (their timeline for Fields' rookie deal), because he's mostly power, leverage, length. Think Calais Campbell or the like. He's not built on explosion or quickness.

He gets a 4 year extension with essentially 3 guaranteed. Fits right in.
 
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Poles loves physical profile, at least that was what he showed last year. Pretty much every draft pick has a higher RAS than their production/draft slot would indicate.
 
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bamainatlanta said:
Poles would be making a blunder if he traded out this early. It would have to be a Rickey Williams or Herschel Walker type of trade but with future 1sts included as well.
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Thing is that there isn’t any a type of player like those two available this draft. Which affects what we get in return. Just reality.
 
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My dream scenario for trading for players would hinge on Houston. If they somehow get crazy enough to offer 12 or a 2024 first then that opens the door IMO to be more aggressive getting players.

Imagine for example getting 4 and Buckner from the Colts for 2. Then getting 9 and Burns from them the Panthers for 4. That may be more attractive than them having to give up future first rounders and we would still have 9 and 12 or 9 and a 2024 first rounder next year.
 
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gallagher said:
Good for him. Unfortunate for Bears fans. I had a lot of hope on him coming here.

The hope hasn't died I guess, nothing is yet final, but he would have been a great addition. Onto other prospects!
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They can still trade him if they want. We will see what happens.
 
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