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nc0gnet0 said:
That was never my point, but thanks for chiming in anyways. Originally, my point was, that the overwhelming sentiment on CCS was that NO LB was worth that amount of money, as it was not a premium position. Now, all of a sudden, everyone has done a complete 180. Regardless of if Roquan makes a little more, etc etc, both are in the top 5 highest paid LB's in the league.

After that shit-for-brains made an erroneous statement about cap hits. I took him to task over it.

I don't care to get into an argument over who is better, which contract will be better, because that can not be determined for three years. i do know this, part of the trade compensation for Roquan was for last year.

There is also something to be said for a franchise that takes care of its own, and Vets do notice this.

Now run along and take your vortex elsewhere.
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It caught me by surprise that they gave Edmunds that contract, after the reasons they gave for not giving Roquan the contract he wanted. I probably wasn't the only one on here that was surprised by it. But I took a step back and tried to think about what they were seeing.

They may not be telling you all of the reasons they didn't give the contract to Roquan. There could be more reasons than just not paying an off the ball linebacker or lack of playmaking etc. Publicly declaring that the Bears weren't negotiating in good faith (something along those lines), and overall scheme/culture fit could be a factor. Roquan threw his "take care of your own" voucher out the window with that move.

They may actually believe that Edmunds will be more productive in this defense and be a better scheme/culture fit. The measurables seem to be ideal, the leadership and work ethic seem to be there as well. Edmunds is coming off his best season, by far. He's young and ascending. There's good reason to believe his best years are ahead of him and he will continue to improve. I think they're projecting him to take off in this scheme. Maybe they're right, maybe they're wrong, but I can see the reasoning and I'm pumped about the outlook for him.

So what I'm seeing, expecting, and hoping for is better production and leadership from Edmunds, while paying him like 10% less, and getting a 2nd and 5th round pick on top of that. I'm down for that.
 
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I didnt know i had to break it down that way but it is ncogneto

I'll make it simple so your peabrain can understand. The worst 3 years of Edmunds contract are 23,17 and 17. The 3 worst years for Roquan are 22, 27 and 27. Clear difference and he's trying to argue just to argue
 

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Spitta Andretti said:
I didnt know i had to break it down that way but it is ncogneto

I'll make it simple so your peabrain can understand. The worst 3 years of Edmunds contract are 23,17 and 17. The 3 worst years for Roquan are 22, 27 and 27. Clear difference and he's trying to argue just to argue
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On the bright side.... at least we're talking about Bears related stuff... and not the Lions.
 

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Again, if Roquan continues to outplay Edmunds in the next few years, the difference in the contracts will be forgotten. If Edmunds plays better, or pretty much on the same level, the pro Edmunds comments will be valid.

So probably best to see how they fare the next few years and lose the quibbling.
 
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Again, if Roquan continues to outplay Edmunds in the next few years, the difference in the contracts will be forgotten. If Edmunds plays better, or pretty much on the same level, the pro Edmunds comments will be valid.

So probably best to see how they fare the next few years and lose the quibbling.
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That doesn't mean Roquan puts up the same numbers if he were to have been resigned here. He's in a 3-4 now, that's better for him.
 
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I think people are confused. They almost certainly offered Roquan 18m a year as well. The difference is he wanted 20m or more while Edmunds was happy to take the 18m.

So there is no disconnect here at all. They did not want to pay an off ball LB with limited ball production 20m a year but they were fine with paying an off ball LB with limited ball production 18m a year.

Quan all but confirmed this as his whole point was that he felt he was a comparable player to Leonard and Warner and so he had to get a deal that beat theirs otherwise he would be setting off ball LBs backwards as the norm is the next top guy that is a FA gets more than the guy before him. Leonard got 19.7m a year so Quan had to get 20m in his mind. That is why he did not accept the Bears offer of 18m a year.
 
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It's kinda funny how you guys keep talking with nc0gnet0 like he's interested at all in having a level headed conversation about anything Bears related. He's here for attention and will say anything contrarian to the general sentiment of the board to get it. Why else would a non-Bears fan be here when he has nothing positive to say about the Bears?
 
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remydat said:
What's the end game? You going to give a RB 15-17m a year when his contract is up?

It is just a massive waste of a top 10 pick as RBs are so damn cheap to replace. Robinson would have to be a 1st ballot HoFer to be worth it IMO.
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If you’re paying Bijan 15-17 mil a year, wow! There’s no reason to think him being picked 9 overall necessitates him getting that big of a second contract.

Now, should he earn that contract, you pay him. I mean, is it possible? Sure. Is it probable? Not really. Unfortunately for RBs, their value is bottoming out. But, to think that him getting selected 9th means a 15-17 mil contract? Nah, he will get what he gets based on what he produces relative to positional value. Come on now! You know that!
 
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remydat said:
What is your proof that was the overwhelming sentiment? I think the overwhelming sentiment was that Quan wasn't worth 20m a year ie being the highest paid off ball LB. I think most were aware the Bears offered him a contract and thought 18m a year would be a fair price. The issue was again people didn't think he should be the highest paid. So the fact Edmunds accepted the 18m a year which is what many thought Quan was worth does not support your point at all.


The poster didn't make a mistake. He said the cap hit was 22m FOLLOWED by 27m in each of the last two years. The followed by is the clue that he was referring to the 3rd year cap hit followed by 27m the last 2 years. Your dumbass interpreted it as him saying the cap hit was 22m in the current year but his post never actually said that.

Finally you are 100% full of shit. You comment on how good or bad moves are all the time. You only want to now claim you need to wait 3 years because Edmunds actually graded out a better player this year than Quan. If it was the other way around you would be claiming how the Bears signed a worse player. We all know this is true because you routinely make proclamations about how Lions players are better than Bears players based on PFF grades in the prior year. So the facts are that currently the Bears signed a better player to a much better deal plus got a 2nd round pick and a 5th round pick. The end.
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You continue to be an idiot. The last two years of Roquan's contract mean nothing. The only years that means anything are the first three. That is why the contract is "60 million guranteed". Run along now, take another off season "L" and take your vortex elsewhere. At the end of three years, Quan will either be extended, released, or renegotiated. The last two years are nothing but numbers on paper.

But yeah. lets talk about the last three years, and ignore the first two. Makes perfect sense, if you are an idiot.
 
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Spitta Andretti said:
I didnt know i had to break it down that way but it is ncogneto

I'll make it simple so your peabrain can understand. The worst 3 years of Edmunds contract are 23,17 and 17. The 3 worst years for Roquan are 22, 27 and 27. Clear difference and he's trying to argue just to argue
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Two of those three years will never see the light of day. The only thing that matters in the NFL is guranteed money. Give it a rest.
 
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I peeped his story on Instagram and it also shows a 4th slide of him sacking Justin Fields. So all 4 teams from the NFC North. Cant see how thats a clear sign. Maybe he added the 4th Bears slide later. Lots of Bears fans simping in the comments.

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When your defensive line is this fucking bad, you drool over average players.
 
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Two of those three years will never see the light of day. The only thing that matters in the NFL is guranteed money. Give it a rest.
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so you're saying they're going to cut/trade roquan before he's 30? because guaranteed money 'only matters' when its a contract you're going to get out of before its finished. thats not what happens with players in their prime

and a renegotiation isn't going to make it cheaper. He isn't taking a pay cut in a renegotiation
 
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nc0gnet0 said:
You continue to be an idiot. The last two years of Roquan's contract mean nothing. The only years that means anything are the first three. That is why the contract is "60 million guranteed". Run along now, take another off season "L" and take your vortex elsewhere. At the end of three years, Quan will either be extended, released, or renegotiated. The last two years are nothing but numbers on paper.

But yeah. lets talk about the last three years, and ignore the first two. Makes perfect sense, if you are an idiot.
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So your are saying RS essentially is playing on a $20M/yr contract for 3 years, as the highest paid ILB. While T Edmound's frontloaded contract will be played out to completion in team friendly years, where in his last season he will be have a cap hit of $17.4 M and with rising cap space means he will likely be well outside the top 10 paid ILB's.

All this with a player that quietly went about his business in his contract year and without chubby pornhub videos, screams of disrespect, requests for trade, camp holdouts, crashed cars, and missed games for "personal issues."

So.....win Bears and Cliff Stein
 
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