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Chicagosports89 said:
I'd prefer they address 4 spots because they have the resources and it could create a really good OL with depth.

Sign Conklin and Jenkins. Draft Fasanu or Skoronski (after trading back hopefully to accumulate another 2nd and potentially future 1st). Then draft a C (I prefer Michigan's if available) with the Ravens 2nd or our own 3rd.

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If that rookie C isn't ready then you still end up with a hole on the interior. Next year we should be competing so we don't have the luxury IMO of dealing with growing pains. Either the rookies are ready to start or someone else should be in there and in that scenario I would much rather have EJenkins or Whitehair playing C than a Patrick. This is especially the case when this scheme is mentally and athletically taxing for a C so asking a rookie to come out guns blazing is asking a lot when we can afford to make sure they only need to start if they are actually better than a quality player. Something Patrick has not proven he can be not to mention he has been injured for most of the year.
 

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You can't use the "95% of all of his games" argument when he has missed all of those games in the last 3 years. Guys don't get healthier as they get older. The wear and tear take a little bit away every year, especially the bigger players. Also, he only has an 8.3 dead if you cut him pre June 1. You can designate him after June 1, which takes that dead cap to 4.2M. And it's not an issue that you can't use that til June because they have 120M other dollars to play with.

Whitehair IS average. A ranking isn't average or a mean. If I have the 24th best grade on a test in a class of 64, I could still have an F (not saying Whitehair is an F player, just saying he's average, and his PFF grade is the grade of an average player). Whitehair IS going to be severely overpaid at a 14.1M cap hit. And I didn't say anything about having young players everywhere. But the Bears are a team that should be building for the future. What's the point of keeping Cody Whitehair when you have the money and ability to upgrade him? If he's not cut after 2022, he's gone after 2023 anyway.
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He is average and overpaid but you don’t move him until you have something at least as good and dead cap $ doesn’t change just because you spread it over 2 years. It’s become rather obvious that Poles is trying to get out of the past regime’s dead $ asap. The last thing I want to do is overpay another G FA money to replace our current overpaid starting G. He likely gets replaced by someone already on the roster, a draft pick or remains. There’s a slight chance Poles finds someone else’s cast off diamond on the rough but very unlikely.
 
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rawdawg said:
Why you so angry? Throwing around F bombs calling things stupid. LOL. I am making a very valid and well supported argument. You just apparently have a bias to keeping the longest tenured Bear, and that's fine.

You're really using counting stats to support Whitehair.....who has missed 4 games? Of course Whitehair has given up fewer sacks and pressures than Seumalo who has played 250 more snaps.

I believe all are clear, no doubt upgrades over Whitehair GOING FORWARD. Jenkins has shown he can play the same position better, in the same exact scheme. Davis has shown he can play better (and I have watched every single Titans game for the 3 years prior to this one, because my nephew was on the team). Seumalo is healthier, 2 years younger, and likely better too. Going forward is the key here. As I said, better to get rid of a player too early than too late. Whitehair being hurt this year and turning 31 in the summer doesn't bode well to future health outlook. All the guys I mentioned are younger than him. Jenkins has health issues as well, but he's 5 years younger and in 2021 was one of the best OL in the league. He IS a clear upgrade to Whitehair going forward, IMO.

And yes, I want to spend 16-18 million upgrading the offensive line. Don't give me "poor allocation of resources" crap for a team that has the most dead money in the league by far this year. Talk about stupid arguments. The Rams paid like 50Mil and multiple 1sts at QB and won a SB. Teams upgrade players they don't think are good enough literally ALL THE TIME, dead cap be damned. Don't at like I am making this outlandish proposal that's never been done. It's literally been done by this GM in his 8 months on the job.
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You want keep Patrick as center. How many games missed he this season?

We got you he is not worth the money next year. But it is just not the time to cut him in 2023. Maybe, but big maybe, when free agency works well and in draft a top prospect falls, then they will release him. But never ever before (I hope ?)
 
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Nuremberg Bear said:
You want keep Patrick as center. How many games missed he this season?

We got you he is not worth the money next year. But it is just not the time to cut him in 2023. Maybe, but big maybe, when free agency works well and in draft a top prospect falls, then they will release him. But never ever before (I hope ?)
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He doesn't want to. He thinks the staff will. I disagree. I think he'll compete with a rookie and be a solid back up if he loses.
 
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Just for the record, Patrick has given up 16 pressures and 2 sacks in 146 pass block snaps. His pass block grade is currently 30.8. Whitehair has given up 6 pressures and 0 sacks in 186 pass block snaps. His pass block grade is 70.9.
 
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remydat said:
Just for the record, Patrick has given up 16 pressures and 2 sacks in 146 pass block snaps. His pass block grade is currently 30.8. Whitehair has given up 6 pressures and 0 sacks in 186 pass block snaps. His pass block grade is 70.9.
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Honestly, nobody cares because nobody is comparing the two
 
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Im confused, are people supposed to stop hating because the Lions have the Rams pick? IDK about you but i hate them because they're a shit organization with awful and obnoxious fans.
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I was writing specifically about the people rejoicing in the Lions getting “meaningless” wins that ruins their draft pick. Has nothing to do with their shit org structure, dumb cosch, or that one troll who shows up here sometimes.
 

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remydat said:
I am just saying that Patrick wasn't exactly great at C before this year either. He has typically graded out in the 50s. Personally I would rather just keep Whitehair and sign Jenkins. Patrick can backup.

Jones/Borom
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TJenkins
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That is much better than putting Patrick in there at C IMO. In the draft you can then go BPA for the most part. Jenkins and Conklin would have the benefit of already knowing the system which takes some time to learn. I would probably still look to get a T and young Center at some point in the draft as well.
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I'd take that in a heartbeat. But has Jenkins ever played C? I wasn't aware that he has. If he can play it, then that's a no brainer.
 
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I'd take that in a heartbeat. But has Jenkins ever played C? I wasn't aware that he has. If he can play it, then that's a no brainer.
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CAREER: The No. 1 center prospect for the 2019 NFL Draft, according to ESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper Jr., who is also versatile enough to play every position on the line … Transitioned into the starting center role in 2017 preseason camp and shined as a junior … Played in 49 career games with 34 starts – 26 at center, five at left tackle, two at left guard and one at right tackle … Allowed only one sack over 762 pass-blocking snaps at center during his junior and senior seasons, per Pro Football Focus … Two-time member of the SEC Academic Honor Roll … Graduated from MSU in December 2018 with a degree in industrial technology.

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Also started 5 games at C in 2020 for Packers.
 
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BEARZOMBIE said:
Yup poles off-season has been nothing short of a complete failure
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Yeah a bit chicken little. Draft was fine. FA less so but he didn't spend a ton of money and most of these guys were always going to be stop gaps with the hope that one or two of them are good enough to sign long term.
 
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I was writing specifically about the people rejoicing in the Lions getting “meaningless” wins that ruins their draft pick. Has nothing to do with their shit org structure, dumb cosch, or that one troll who shows up here sometimes.
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Oh, I'm 100% basing my hatred of them from Lions fans (some are friends) in real life. They want a fucking parade for their recent run of success. Hopefully they're fooled and still think Goff and Campbell are the long term answer after this amazing success they've had.
 

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I don’t mean to keep bringing this up given how badly I was shamed the first time haha. But how can anybody watch what Pickens is doing right now and not think that was a major whiff for the Bears (admittedly other teams too). I love Poles and he’s going to be good but I would give the first draft a C and the Claypool trade F-.

Claypool may or may not be productive here in future, but we could have had years and years of Pickens under control. Give me one player that can be a superstar over an average corner and average at best receiver. To take 2 DBs with both of those picks is a waste of resources given the needs all over the roster.
 
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