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Enasic said:
Not sure if you caught the stat during the GB game, but Rodgers didn’t throw for 300 yards for like his first 18 games (forget exactly). Obviously, he didn’t have the scrambling ability as Fields either. I think the game is changing. I’d like to see Fields run a tad less and win from the pocket more…but I think that progression is coming next year. Not really worried about it
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The progression will come if he gets legit talent around him. If poles continues dumpster diving for the offense or misfiring on pickups like claypool and veelus don’t expect a miracle
 
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That narrative will be a thing of the past. How many pocket passers you see winning multiple super bowl's in the future? Brady? Rodgers? Cousins? Jones? Goff? Semens?
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Mahomes? Mobility is always good but he's not a 'running' QB. Averages 19 YPG. You still mostly win from the pocket in the NFL. If you can do more, it's gravy. In this millenium, the only SB winning QB with more was Wilson with 33 ypg. In the playoffs that year, he averaged 14 rushing YPG. It will happen at some point but until then, you still win from the pocket in the NFL. It will take a QB that's great at both so playoff Ds can't take away what you do well.
 
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Bearly said:
Mahomes? Mobility is always good but he's not a 'running' QB. Averages 19 YPG. You still mostly win from the pocket in the NFL. If you can do more, it's gravy. In this millenium, the only SB winning QB with more was Wilson with 33 ypg. In the playoffs that year, he averaged 14 rushing YPG. It will happen at some point but until then, you still win from the pocket in the NFL. It will take a QB that's great at both so playoff Ds can't take away what you do well.
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Mahomes isn't really a pure pocket passer. A lot of his big plays come on scrambles or outside the pocket. He just likes throwing when he is outside the pocket rather than running.
 
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Mahomes isn't really a pure pocket passer. A lot of his big plays come on scrambles or outside the pocket. He just likes throwing when he is outside the pocket rather than running.
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Like I don't know that? He's not a 'running' QB. He scrambles to throw. I should have said something more to the effect of 'QBs win from their side of the LOS.' Running QBs have not done as well in playoffs when Great Ds can counter, especially when those QBs end to be a bit beat up by then. I never intended to imply that mobility wasn't a significant asset for a QB.
 
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BaBaBlacksheep said:
Bears fans do the exact same thing. I mean we had people freaking out over tweets by random bloggers during camp.

Point being both fans bases are absolutely over the top and ridiculous. (Or at least large parts are)

Not CCS obviously…
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Can’t wait for their wake up call
 
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Bearly said:
Like I don't know that? He's not a 'running' QB. He scrambles to throw. I should have said something more to the effect of 'QBs win from their side of the LOS.' Running QBs have not done as well in playoffs when Great Ds can counter, especially when those QBs end to be a bit beat up by then. I never intended to imply that mobility wasn't a significant asset for a QB.
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Yeah I think you are missing context. The convo started per the below.

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How in the world did PHI win? Hurts 28 attempts but only threw for 153 yards. Ran for more with 157. Hurts only scoring 2 TDs. I was told you cant win games in the NFL without being primarily a pocket passer.
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The narrative is you can’t go deep in the playoffs and win a SB. So far, that narrative is factual. That doesn’t mean it will remain so
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So I think the point being made is not being a pocket passer doesn't necessarily mean you are running. Guys like Wilson and Mahomes are not really classic pocket passers. And I mentioned this in response to the above but even if you want to limit to just running QBs, CK was plenty good enough to win a SB when they scored 31 points against the Ravens. They lost not because he was a running QB but because their D gave up 34 points.

So I am not sure this is really a fair comparison. There are successful QBs who were not really pocket QBs but if you want to limit it to strictly running QBs then there aren't that many that would fit that bill. And I suspect even if you took a McNair or CK and divided by all the running QBs in the NFL that is still a higher percentage of guys that made the Super Bowl vs if you took all the other SB QBs and divided by everyone else that would not be considered a pocket QB. So it is a small sample size issue.
 
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remydat said:
Russell Wilson won a Super Bowl and he is hardly a pocket passer. If you want to argue he won because of defense then I would say CK lost because his D gave up 34 not because he could not lead his team deep in the playoffs.

Also not sure I would call Mahomes a primarily pocket passer as much of his big plays happen when he is on the move. Cam also had a deep SB run as did Steve McNair who came a yard short against the greatest show on turf.

Outside of those guys above you have guys like Elway, Young and even Montanna whose success was in large part due to their ability to throw outside of the pocket and their mobility albeit they also succeeded within the pocket.
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Russ and Mahomes both do majority of their damage passing the ball. That’s really the entire point, more so than just being a pocket passer. Their was a stat during lasts nights game that no SB winning QB had more than 100 rushing attempts in a season (much lower in most cases). Again, I think that ends up changing eventually as the game is evolving. However, until someone actually breaks that barrier, it’s an accurate and on point narrative.
 
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