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[HeHateMe]

The man had one winning season out of 7 and you’re here arguing about 4th round picks.

Seriously WTF?

thee worst!

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Payne, Dre'Mont Jones and Yannick. Anderson or Carter in the draft. Payne alone doesnt solve the interior alone. You could for example go Payne, Jones Carter at LE and the 2 DT spots with Yannick as the RE. Then rotate the 3 inside on pass downs and then have Gipson and Robinson play LE on pass downs.

If it is Anderson then challenge is where to put him and he and Yannick ate more REs. So may have to have Anderson at RE and a Gipson/Robinson at LE on run downs with Yannick playing LE on pass downs.

I don’t think that’s realistic but I would single handedly cause a towel shortage in Texas if it did.

 

[Bearly]

You're drifting off on me again. My debate with remy that you involved yourself in was only....ONLY about if 7 of Pace's draft were largely failed. Remy says they were and i said they weren't so all this other stuff your bringing into it to start your own debate with me i don't care about. Pace failed and now is gone so i no longer care about Pace and now care about the new regime in place.

Vildor without a doubt will be on a active roster after next season whether that's with the Bears, which i think it will be as a 3rd CB, or with another team.

You'd like 2.5 to 3 starters per draft. In Paces 6 drafts we have 12 if you count the trade for Mack as one. I'm not counting Borom here as he appears to be renting the position but you can give him, Herbert and Cohen a 1/2 if you like and even let Mack count for 2 and you still don't get close to 18 regardless of manipulations. Some drafts were good like the last 2 but others were disappointing.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

I don’t think that’s realistic but I would single handedly cause a towel shortage in Texas if it did.

It won't happen, but financially there is no reason it's not realistic

 

[remydat]

So instead of simply agreeing that what you first said was wrong you ran from it. It's not a big deal to be wrong you know, everyone on here is at times.

Nope you interpreted what I said incorrectly. Even before you responded again I said the following which obviously is not suggesting each and every draft is a failure.

Yeah I mean his last 2 drafts were probably his best but too late to save his job. @dabears70 just thinks drafting starters is all that matters oblivious to the fact that in 7 drafts the expectation would be you draft at least a few bonafide stars. The only guy that may turn out to be a bonafide star is Fields but again too late to help Pace.

The point was never that every draft sucked. It was that if he had say 40 draft picks in 7 years far too many of them failed and he didn't really draft enough stars. Teams that win thru the draft do so because they draft impact players in the draft not simply drafting average starters. The only guy he drafted that was a multiple time all pro or pro bowler is Quan. That is not enough over 7 years.

 

[bamainatlanta]

They won't let Pollard go. They love him.

Rumor in Dallas is they might cut Elliot and let Pollard walk and draft Bijan Robinson. Jones is in love with him

 

[remydat]

I don’t think that’s realistic but I would single handedly cause a towel shortage in Texas if it did.

Well that depends on how much these guys end up costing. Keep in mind at one point we had Mack at 20m, Quinn at 14m and Hicks at 12m. That is with a lower cap. So you can probably get Payne, Jones, and Yannick for 45m a year or so. By the time Carter/Anderson need a new deal then Yannick's contract will be coming off the books. If you are going to run a Cover/Tampa 2 then you absolutely spend the money on the DL. You then churn thru LBs, CBs, and S unless you find a truly elite player as you don't spend top dollar on a CB that is going to be playing a ton of zone. You also don't spend a ton at LB unless it is a TO machine like Leonard.

 

[Spitta Andretti]

Well that depends on how much these guys end up costing. Keep in mind at one point we had Mack at 20m, Quinn at 14m and Hicks at 12m. That is with a lower cap. So you can probably get Payne, Jones, and Yannick for 45m a year or so. By the time Carter/Anderson need a new deal then Yannick's contract will be coming off the books. If you are going to run a Cover/Tampa 2 then you absolutely spend the money on the DL. You then churn thru LBs, CBs, and S unless you find a truly elite player as you don't spend top dollar on a CB that is going to be playing a ton of zone. You also don't spend a ton at LB unless it is a TO machine like Leonard.

so does that not bode well for a jaylon johnson extension?

 

[remydat]

Rumor in Dallas is they might cut Elliot and let Pollard walk and draft Bijan Robinson. Jones is in love with him

Yeah Cowboys only have 8.7m in cap space at the moment. Cutting Elliot only saves about 5m which is just covers their rookie pool. So not sure they have the luxury of spending say 7-8 a year on Pollard. Bijan makes sense for them as they don't really have a lot of holes and would be able to replace Pollard and Elliot for cheap.

 

[remydat]

so does that not bode well for a jaylon johnson extension?

Not sure I would extend Johnson at this stage. Not really a lockdown CB and he doesn't get enough Ints for a Cover 2. We already saw Flus harp on TOs with respect to Quan so not sure how they are going to justify spending 15-17m a year on a guy with 1 int and 2 FF in 38 games. Now if we improve the DL and the added pressure causes his ints to increase then I would reconsider but at this stage he isn't an ideal Cover 2 CB. His career passer rating against is 103.8.

 

[dabears70]

Nope you interpreted what I said incorrectly. Even before you responded again I said the following which obviously is not suggesting each and every draft is a failure.



The point was never that every draft sucked. It was that if he had say 40 draft picks in 7 years far too many of them failed and he didn't really draft enough stars. Teams that win thru the draft do so because they draft impact players in the draft not simply drafting average starters. The only guy he drafted that was a multiple time all pro or pro bowler is Quan. That is not enough over 7 years.

I can see how i may have interpreted it wrong. I thought you were saying he failed with every draft largely as in they were all huge failures.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Well that depends on how much these guys end up costing. Keep in mind at one point we had Mack at 20m, Quinn at 14m and Hicks at 12m. That is with a lower cap. So you can probably get Payne, Jones, and Yannick for 45m a year or so. By the time Carter/Anderson need a new deal then Yannick's contract will be coming off the books. If you are going to run a Cover/Tampa 2 then you absolutely spend the money on the DL. You then churn thru LBs, CBs, and S unless you find a truly elite player as you don't spend top dollar on a CB that is going to be playing a ton of zone. You also don't spend a ton at LB unless it is a TO machine like Leonard.

That seems extremely low to me. But pure speculation

 

[Discus fish salesman]

That seems extremely low to me. But pure speculation

Why? Payne should come in around $20 mill/yr. Maybe a little more. Yannick is not highly valued around the league as seen by him moving year after year. His annual value will probably sit about 15-16 mill/yr. He's not going to get Chubb money. Jones doesn't have much track record. I'm guessing he gets 12-14 mill/yr which seems like an overpay for what he's actually produced in his career.

 

[bamainatlanta]

Why? Payne should come in around $20 mill/yr. Maybe a little more. Yannick is not highly valued around the league as seen by him moving year after year. His annual value will probably sit about 15-16 mill/yr. He's not going to get Chubb money. Jones doesn't have much track record. I'm guessing he gets 12-14 mill/yr which seems like an overpay for what he's actually produced in his career.

I don’t think Yannick will get more than $10 million. He’s not someone that has commanded big money before

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Why? Payne should come in around $20 mill/yr. Maybe a little more. Yannick is not highly valued around the league as seen by him moving year after year. His annual value will probably sit about 15-16 mill/yr. He's not going to get Chubb money. Jones doesn't have much track record. I'm guessing he gets 12-14 mill/yr which seems like an overpay for what he's actually produced in his career.

Payne will get #1 DT money thats not Aaron Donald. So 22. Yannick is getting 13 now and there’s no edge in this class. So maybe 17. So that’s 39 right there. Think I saw a projection of 14 /15for Jones.

Anyways. Who knows. Pure speculation

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

I don’t think Yannick will get more than $10 million. He’s not someone that has commanded big money before

Hes on a 2 year 26 deal currently

 

[Enasic]

Wtf is Jones?

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Wtf is Jones?

Dre’Mont Jones

 

[Enasic]

Dre’Mont Jones

Think he gets between 10-13 per but who knows.

Payne - 20
Yannick- 15

 

[pseudonym]

Rumor in Dallas is they might cut Elliot and let Pollard walk and draft Bijan Robinson. Jones is in love with him

Holy crap. That would be...insane.