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remydat said:
But I don't know that because the draft hasn't happened yet and you are a moron not a psychic.
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But on multiple occasions when talking about what the Bears should get from a team trying to trade up for a QB you've brought up that we shouldn't get anything less than the three 1st round picks that the 49ers gave up to go up and get T.Lance.

Don't be mad about it. I'm just bringing up what you've said.
 

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dabears70 said:
But on multiple occasions when talking about what the Bears should get from a team trying to trade up for a QB you've brought up that we shouldn't get anything less than the three 1st round picks that the 49ers gave up to go up and get T.Lance.

Don't be mad about it. I'm just bringing up what you've said.
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A part of the price paid though is also how far back in the draft are you going? Miami got those 3 1st round picks, but then turned around and I believe traded one of them to move back up to 6. Desperation also plays into it. If Pace is involved in a trade up for Atlanta, he likely gives away more than someone else, etc.

So, a trade down to 5 will not cost as much as a trade down out of the top 10, etc. That is stating the obvious, but there it is.
 
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Exactly. If you don’t know what you’re talking about, it is best not to speak. People might realize you don’t know what the **** you’re talking about.

Robinson and Vaughn have amazing hands. I mean, they’re incredible. I think Robinson is a better receiver than the Alabama back. Deuce Vaughn. Yo, just watch him play. The way he can catch.

Those two backs do not have to just line up in the backfield. The holes on the team would look a lot better IF Fields had some REAL weapons, especially players that can play out of more than one position.

Seriously, watch them play. If you see something I don’t, let me know. It only tells me people haven’t watched them when they think they’re just a running back. That’s some in the box thinking.View attachment 25314

We far from one player away from being a top team, so get the best weapons we can for Fields. Score a shit ton of points, and let the rest sort itself out.

Also, I don’t just want two running backs, I want a UTE, too.
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I'm pretty sure nobody thinks either are just running backs especially Vaughn who i'm thinking would be more of everything else than a RB. Everyone knows how special Bijan is as a all around offensive player, Vaughn would probably be more of a pass catcher/specialist in the NFL then a pure RB, but can still do some runs while Bijan can obviously be whatever you need from him offensively.
 
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A part of the price paid though is also how far back in the draft are you going? Miami got those 3 1st round picks, but then turned around and I believe traded one of them to move back up to 6. Desperation also plays into it. If Pace is involved in a trade up for Atlanta, he likely gives away more than someone else, etc.

So, a trade down to 5 will not cost as much as a trade down out of the top 10, etc. That is stating the obvious, but there it is.
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Yeah i think they turned two of those picks into J.Waddle and B.Chubb.
 

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Sitting here and just thinking about it, results history will probably be a factor too when it comes to the idea of trading away three 1st round picks. Teams can look at both the 49ers and Denver and go...are we really sure we want to give away 3 1st's? It's a risky move to put that much on one player if that player doesn't pan out. It also makes it harder to build around the player for the future.

So, assuming a trade down, I would not be surprised if the Bears are not able to get three 1st round picks. But, in some ways, getting additional 2nd or 3rd round picks (in 2023 or maybe 2024) sooner is better than a distant future 1st round pick in 2025. It can help to accelerate things sooner for the team and Fields. Anywho, just another interesting wrinkle to think about.
 

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Enasic said:
There will be a huge demand for the pick regardless. The bears will receive multiple offers. They don’t need to create the demand. That doesn’t mean they have to show the rest of the league their hand. Due diligence is due diligence.
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Exactly. This is what I and others have been saying.

And nobody at any time ever suggested showing teams your hand.

You want them to know they need to not just offer more than the next QB-needy team, but also enough to make it worth passing on Carter or Anderson. The Bears are desperate at both DE and DT and either of those guys is worthy of the #1. That is legit reason to believe the Bears could use the pick themselves.

Thus the reason pretending to want a QB is unnecessary and could possibly be counter productive.
 
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dabears70 said:
But on multiple occasions when talking about what the Bears should get from a team trying to trade up for a QB you've brought up that we shouldn't get anything less than the three 1st round picks that the 49ers gave up to go up and get T.Lance.

Don't be mad about it. I'm just bringing up what you've said.
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Yes I have said that. My point is you claiming we wont as if it is fact is asinine. None of us know at this point.
 
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Canth said:
Sitting here and just thinking about it, results history will probably be a factor too when it comes to the idea of trading away three 1st round picks. Teams can look at both the 49ers and Denver and go...are we really sure we want to give away 3 1st's? It's a risky move to put that much on one player if that player doesn't pan out. It also makes it harder to build around the player for the future.

So, assuming a trade down, I would not be surprised if the Bears are not able to get three 1st round picks. But, in some ways, getting additional 2nd or 3rd round picks (in 2023 or maybe 2024) sooner is better than a distant future 1st round pick in 2025. It can help to accelerate things sooner for the team and Fields. Anywho, just another interesting wrinkle to think about.
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If it is a team like the Colts then you probably try for 2 firsts and Buckner who probably has a first round value and the Colts might not want to pay him 20m the next two years if they are rebuilding.
 
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If it is a team like the Colts then you probably try for 2 firsts and Buckner who probably has a first round value and the Colts might not want to pay him 20m the next two years if they are rebuilding.
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Definitely possible. I wonder if they feel they are a QB away from competing though.
 
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If they do then they should trade for a vet like Carr or JG. But word is Irsay is gung ho he wants a rookie.

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Colts' season of chaos: Inside a franchise in disarray

As Irsay's belief in the people around him faded, the Colts owner started meddling, something he'd long vowed he wouldn't do.
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Idk carr has been benched for stidham, and Jimmy g has huge injury concerns and couldn’t really get it done on the overall most talented team in football. They also have been through the carousel of vet/journeyman QB’s the last several years.

I could see them leveraging several firsts and rolling with an elite defense and rookie QB. If you get a rookie QB you can afford Buckner. If you think you can win with an elite defense you don’t trade away one of the best on your team/in the league.
 
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