***OFFICAL*** Bears GM/Coaching Search News Thread

[dennehy]

Stop what? Bad throws and bad reads? This isnt madden dum dum.

Brady looked done hence why Kraft and BB dumped him. Brady struggled early and then Leftwich tweaked the O for him.

Belicheck stated plainly that he wanted Brady back.

Bill Belichick Refutes Popular Narrative, Says He Wanted Tom Brady Back

New England Patriots head coach Bill Belichick on Monday morning insisted he wanted Tom Brady to return following the 2019 season.

nesn.com

 

[remydat]

I don’t care what they averaged per rush. You literally don’t have to have success running the ball to have a successful play action pass game. Your job is to adapt as a coach, we just saw Nagy fail miserably at that. Clearly the picks hurt the team a lot given how impressive that defense has been the last few years and considering they didn’t win shit with Winston being a turnover machine.

What the Patriots did is irrelevant, we are not discussing whether or not to hire a member of the Patriots organization.

They still scored 28.6 points so more likely it was the best option for the team.

What Brady did the year before is relevant because it is clear the Pats dumped him because his stats had declined. Then he had 2 of his best years in a 20 year career with Leftwich.

 

[WestCoastBearsFan]

They still scored 28.6 points so more likely it was the best option for the team.

What Brady did the year before is relevant because it is clear the Pats dumped him because his stats had declined. Then he had 2 of his best years in a 20 year career with Leftwich.

Yeah and if they didn’t keep leaving their defense out to try they probably would have actually won more games. Your argument is worthless based on that alone.

Bill wanted Brady back, if ownership fucked that up, which they did, it literally couldn’t be more irrelevant

 

[remydat]

Belicheck stated plainly that he wanted Brady back.

Bill Belichick Refutes Popular Narrative, Says He Wanted Tom Brady Back

New England Patriots head coach Bill Belichick on Monday morning insisted he wanted Tom Brady to return following the 2019 season.

nesn.com

Yeah and Brady and his father say otherwise. If they really wanted him back and he didnt want to come back then they could hace franchised him. See Green Bay for example. You dont let him walk for nothing unless you want to. Dont care who it is.

 

[remydat]

Yeah and if they didn’t keep leaving their defense out to try they probably would have actually won more games. Your argument is worthless based on that alone.

Bill wanted Brady back, if ownership fucked that up, which they did, it literally couldn’t be more irrelevant

You mean like Daboll in Miami, Cleve and KC. How did his Os rank?

Brady and his father dispute this. And either way that isnt the main point. The main point is Brady went from 24 TDs and looking washed up to 40 and 43 TDs rhe last two years.

 

[TL1961]

The point was Leftwich O put up points without a franchise QB. He has put up points with and without a franchise QB.

Daboll has done nothing without Allen.

The point some are trying to make is that Leftwich's offense put up so many points for the opponent that Tampa missed the playoffs with a highly ranked defense.

 

[WestCoastBearsFan]

The point some are trying to make is that Leftwich's offense put up so many points for the opponent that Tampa missed the playoffs with a highly ranked defense.

He doesn’t care about that

 

[TL1961]

You mean like Daboll in Miami, Cleve and KC. How did his Os rank?

Brady and his father dispute this. And either way that isnt the main point. The main point is Brady went from 24 TDs and looking washed up to 40 and 43 TDs rhe last two years.

In his one season in Miami his offense ranked ten spots higher than the year before.

In Cleveland, he did not turn an offense led by Brady Quinn, and then rookie Colt McCoy into a good offense. Shame on him.

 

[dennehy]

Yeah and Brady and his father say otherwise. If they really wanted him back and he didnt want to come back then they could hace franchised him. See Green Bay for example. You dont let him walk for nothing unless you want to. Dont care who it is.

Edit: sorry misread. But the tag and trade almost never happens, so letting him walk for nothing (and they got a third round comp pick) isn't a great argument.

Don't think Brady ever spoke on it. Terry Bradshaw did.

They didn't want to give him a long term deal. That is absolutely different from them kicking him to the curb.

 

[TL1961]

They averaged 3.7 yards a carry which is terrible so no you have to pass to win. They scored 28.6 points so that was the best option even if the picks were not good.

All I know is Brady when from 24 TDs to 40 TDs. Sorry that is a huge increase.

It is funny how you talk about how the Bucs dumped Winston as a knock on him but then ignore the Pats gave up on Brady and dumped him.

That is some serious spin.

 

[WestCoastBearsFan]

You mean like Daboll in Miami, Cleve and KC. How did his Os rank?

Brady and his father dispute this. And either way that isnt the main point. The main point is Brady went from 24 TDs and looking washed up to 40 and 43 TDs rhe last two years.

I have no fucking idea I don’t base my opinions from stats 10 years old.

 

[remydat]

The point some are trying to make is that Leftwich's offense put up so many points for the opponent that Tampa missed the playoffs with a highly ranked defense.

Yes and the point is that is largely on Winston. Their only chance of winning was throwing the ball and it was a double edged sword with Winston.

The further point is Daboll's Os were garbage in his previous stops so if I compare Winston to Daboll's Os in Miami, Clev and KC then Winston was still better.

If I then compare Brady and Allen, a 44 year old QB that looked terrible the year prior to coming to the Bucs is outperforming a QB in his absolute prime.

That is some serious spin.

It is true.

 

[TL1961]

You mean like Daboll in Miami, Cleve and KC. How did his Os rank?

Brady and his father dispute this. And either way that isnt the main point. The main point is Brady went from 24 TDs and looking washed up to 40 and 43 TDs rhe last two years.

There is not a person on the planet that thought Brady looked washed up in NE before he left. Fans everywhere wanted their team to get him. You are revising history with every post.

 

[WestCoastBearsFan]

Yes and the point is that is largely on Winston. Their only chance of winning was throwing the ball and it was a double edged sword with Winston.

The further point is Daboll's Os were garbage in his previous stops so if I compare Winston to Daboll's Os in Miami, Clev and KC then Winston was still better.

If I then compare Brady and Allen, a 44 year old QB that looked terrible the year prior to coming to the Bucs is outperforming a QB in his absolute prime.



It is true.

“Largely on Winston” because Byron never changed anything lol he still wanted to throw it deep every chance he could

This didn’t even happen 10 years ago either!

 

[remydat]

I have no fucking idea I don’t base my opinions from stats 10 years old.

Ok so then you are basing it off just the Bills mean his extra years of experience are largely irrelevant.

 

[TL1961]

Yes and the point is that is largely on Winston. Their only chance of winning was throwing the ball and it was a double edged sword with Winston.

The further point is Daboll's Os were garbage in his previous stops so if I compare Winston to Daboll's Os in Miami, Clev and KC then Winston was still better.

If I then compare Brady and Allen, a 44 year old QB that looked terrible the year prior to coming to the Bucs is outperforming a QB in his absolute prime.



It is true.

Ok. Well now I understand how it works.

When a young QB has struggles, there is nothing an OC should do to change what the QB is doing.

When the most successful QB of all time comes to your team and continues the success he has had for two decades, the OC is the reason for it.

Got it.

 

[WestCoastBearsFan]

Ok so then you are basing it off just the Bills mean his extra years of experience are largely irrelevant.

Yes I am. Because he actually developed a QB in Buffalo, he didn’t have a hall of fame QB fall in his lap. He also has experience under Nick Saban as well but obviously at the collegiate level.

 

[TL1961]

Yes and the point is that is largely on Winston. Their only chance of winning was throwing the ball and it was a double edged sword with Winston.

The further point is Daboll's Os were garbage in his previous stops so if I compare Winston to Daboll's Os in Miami, Clev and KC then Winston was still better.

If I then compare Brady and Allen, a 44 year old QB that looked terrible the year prior to coming to the Bucs is outperforming a QB in his absolute prime.



It is true.

Leftwich is the reason Brady is outperforming Allen?

You've iterally given Leftwich credit for everything but Brady's super bowl wins in New England. and I firmly believe you're going to before the night is over.

 

[WestCoastBearsFan]

Ok. Well now I understand how it works.

When a young QB has struggles, there is nothing an OC should do to change what the QB is doing.

When the most successful QB of all time comes to your team and continues the success he has had for two decades, the OC is the reason for it.

Got it.

No see you don’t understand Winston wasn’t struggling under Byron

 

[thenewguy]

No doesnt bother me as he has 3 and a half years playcalling when Nagy had 6 games.

Most guys have to start as a position coach but Leftwich did not because Arians basically had been grooming him since he was a backup QB with the Steelers.

As a backup QB one of his main jobs would have been to help Big Ben on the sidelines. So his last 4 years in the NFL as a backup is pretty much him being a QB coach.

As for putting together a staff, I would orefer he not have a bunch of caoching buddies and actually hire guys on merit not nepotism.

That's fine but who are those guys he knows that have earned it? If he knows them they'd have to be on the Bucs staff now or he has to use Arians network. And teaching is a skill that takes practice. He won't have Arians to lean on.

Those were problems with Nagy and they could be problems with Leftwich. Nagy at least had Fangio in place, but the rest of his coaching hires were a problem after that.