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Nice inning for TBR..3-0 TBR going to BOT of 2nd
 

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No way. He clearly only is going to get 10 million a year... 12 at the most because he isn't an ace.

He going to get paid cause of the SP market this year..i think today proves he not an ACE..sorry but i dont think Wilson is a SP that can lead a team to WS like CC, Verlander,
 

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Moore with another good inning...3-0 TBR going to 3rd
 

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great bunt by Zobrist...1st and 2nd 1 out
 

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Shoppach with 3 run HR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TBR 6-0

Wilson SHOWING why he NOT ACE!!!
 

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You're right we shouldn't get Wilson because he didn't pitch well in game 1. Silly me.

Also the price tag of CC is 23 million right now, and if opts out it will be higher.
 

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If the any team is going to pay Wilson a lot of money, postseason success has to be taken into account for smart teams to bid on him.
 

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You're right we shouldn't get Wilson because he didn't pitch well in game 1. Silly me.

Also the price tag of CC is 23 million right now, and if opts out it will be higher.

I dont think CC will want higher rate per year..he be looking for more years on contract....I dont see cubs signing CC anyways....Im just saying i sign Fielder 27 y/o STUD over Wilson who is not an ACE. He a very good SP but he not even a SP that people would menntion when people talk about a SP to pitch a huge game.
 

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If the any team is going to pay Wilson a lot of money, postseason success has to be taken into account for smart teams to bid on him.

3.70 ERA in postseason play heading into today doesn't count as success?

And again this idea that players can raise and lower their abilities depending on the situation isn't supported by any empirical evidence.
 

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If the any team is going to pay Wilson a lot of money, postseason success has to be taken into account for smart teams to bid on him.

Agreed. If your going to pay a SP to be your team number 1 you need to make sure he can have playoff sucess
 

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3.70 ERA in postseason play heading into today doesn't count as success?

And again this idea that players can raise and lower their abilities depending on the situation isn't supported by any empirical evidence.

That is not success. 3.7 in playoffs is not a guy who i pay 15 mil + for. Going to go even higher now with this game
 

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I dont think CC will want higher rate per year..he be looking for more years on contract....I dont see cubs signing CC anyways....Im just saying i sign Fielder 27 y/o STUD over Wilson who is not an ACE. He a very good SP but he not even a SP that people would menntion when people talk about a SP to pitch a huge game.

By the defintion of ACE that you seem to have there are maybe 10 of those in baseball. The odds of getting one of those without developing them yourself is very slim and basically involves paying a guy well over 20 million for 5 or more years.
 

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3.70 ERA in postseason play heading into today doesn't count as success?

And again this idea that players can raise and lower their abilities depending on the situation isn't supported by any empirical evidence.
If a player doesn't preform as a #1 starter when needed the most, I wouldn't pay him #1 money.

Agreed. If your going to pay a SP to be your team number 1 you need to make sure he can have playoff sucess
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By the defintion of ACE that you seem to have there are maybe 10 of those in baseball. The odds of getting one of those without developing them yourself is very slim and basically involves paying a guy well over 20 million for 5 or more years.

As a big market team Cubs might have to pay the 20 mil for 5 or more years. I just dont think Wilson is that guy
 

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Show me proof that a player can consistently perform above his baseline production in postseason play and I will buy your argument. Until that point, it is as silly as the Cubs investing in Jeromy Burnitz because he had the 6th highest OPS with RISP one season.
 

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If a team wants to pay Wilson #1 starter money, more power to them.

I don't see it being worth it for the Cubs to do that.
 

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Show me proof that a player can consistently perform above his baseline production in postseason play and I will buy your argument. Until that point, it is as silly as the Cubs investing in Jeromy Burnitz because he had the 6th highest OPS with RISP one season.

How far we going to go back? That was 8 years ago.....What im saying is Cubs should get the 27 y/o STUD over a 30+ SP. I agree Cubs SP needs help. I just think Fielder + couple of SP better then Wilson/Pena
 
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