Official Blackhawks 2024 Offseason Thread-Bedard owns Chicago

[LordKOTL]

Many valid points. But I still think it's a few years away from deciding who won the trades. But yes, Hagel and The Cat are very good players that could have helped. But to what end?

I've said this elsewhere, but the pieces we jettisoned would have been good enough to keep the team in the 16-20th place limbo: Not good enough to make the playoffs, not bad enough to get the good pieces. We would have had to pay for those players (at least eventually) and overall it would have drawn things out.

Case in point: It took us between 1995 and 2009 to get back to the Conference finals and 1992 to 2010 for the Stanley cup finals. Of the top scorers from the 1995 team, the longest tenured one was Amonte who left in 2002, and he retired in 2007. I think hanging onto some of those higher-end players for as long as we did actually drew out the rebuild longer, because those good players kept us good enough to not pick as high in the draft.

Between 1992 (Cup berth) and 2002 (Draft year that the 1st 2010-2015 core menber, Keith, was drafted), we only had 3 Top-10 picks: Bell (8), Yakubov (10), and Ruutu (9). It wasn't until 2004 that we got into the top 5 (Barker who was a bust), but after a failed pick in Skille we had 2 top-5 picks in Toews and Kane.

I think in keeping some of the better players from the 1992-era team, it prolonged the build. I think keeping guys like Debrincat, Hagel, Kane, etc. would have kept us from drafting in the top 10--missing out on not just Bedard, but all of the top prospects that we could have had in retrospect.

We had to jettison the bulk of them or prolong things in my opinion. Getting *to* the bottom was needed no matter who the GM was. Now the onus is on KfC to actually do the build. Some of his moves (or lack thereof) have been questionable, no doubt. But again, I doubt he'll be the GM when the team contends again even if this build works.

 

[LordKOTL]

Kyle Davidson.

A very young GM making rookie mistakes. Trading away a young, talented player named Hagel for draft picks and two players that barely qualified as NHL players. Now given the NHL fail rate on draft picks...why trade a very young, good player for picks that even if you struck gold would only turn into what you just traded away. Then you trade Debrincat for more picks. The Cat was a 30 goal guy, a finisher and if memory serves was all of 22 years old when they moved him. He was due for a payday but he did regularly what no else has been able to do since....score goals. I think they did get Korch for one of those picks but what they really needed than and now is some offense as they have very little.

How much better would the Hawks be with Hagen and the Cat still playing here? Along with CB, TT, Donato, Bertuzzi and Nazar upfront? Who knows how much better Reichel and Kurashev could be playing with better linemates?

Instead we get stiffs like Brodie, Martinez, Smith, Maroon and a fading Hall.

It was great garnering all the picks he got but people don't realize just how high the NHL Draft fail rate is.....it's been quite awhile since I last checked but I think the only sport with more failed picks is MLB.

As aforementioned. If we kept Debrincat and Hagel, we weren't getting CB or Nazar. The team would have been picking outside of the top-10 unless...we traded for a top-10 or better pick which would have meant Debrincat or Hagel are moved.

 

[UChiLAbear]

I've said this elsewhere, but the pieces we jettisoned would have been good enough to keep the team in the 16-20th place limbo: Not good enough to make the playoffs, not bad enough to get the good pieces. We would have had to pay for those players (at least eventually) and overall it would have drawn things out.

Case in point: It took us between 1995 and 2009 to get back to the Conference finals and 1992 to 2010 for the Stanley cup finals. Of the top scorers from the 1995 team, the longest tenured one was Amonte who left in 2002, and he retired in 2007. I think hanging onto some of those higher-end players for as long as we did actually drew out the rebuild longer, because those good players kept us good enough to not pick as high in the draft.

Between 1992 (Cup berth) and 2002 (Draft year that the 1st 2010-2015 core menber, Keith, was drafted), we only had 3 Top-10 picks: Bell (8), Yakubov (10), and Ruutu (9). It wasn't until 2004 that we got into the top 5 (Barker who was a bust), but after a failed pick in Skille we had 2 top-5 picks in Toews and Kane.

I think in keeping some of the better players from the 1992-era team, it prolonged the build. I think keeping guys like Debrincat, Hagel, Kane, etc. would have kept us from drafting in the top 10--missing out on not just Bedard, but all of the top prospects that we could have had in retrospect.

We had to jettison the bulk of them or prolong things in my opinion. Getting *to* the bottom was needed no matter who the GM was. Now the onus is on KfC to actually do the build. Some of his moves (or lack thereof) have been questionable, no doubt. But again, I doubt he'll be the GM when the team contends again even if this build works.

Your clarity is to be commended....we are in agreement on many issues and see things in the same light......to knit pick...Kane & Toews were Top-3 picks....when a Chicago team no longer is a contender, then yes, I want them to go to s^#t.....get the high picks and rebuild. There's nothing worse than a team being in purgatory in the standings and draft. As for the GM, I am a fan and believe many of his picks will work out and the BHs will be contending in the not-too-distant future. GMs do and will make questionable moves, but which one hasn't or won't? I don't follow all the whys and wherefores of Chicago teams as years ago, but I'm not understanding when you say.."I doubt he'll be the GM when the team contends again".....

 

[MassHavoc]

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[Heidenlarm]

Hawks getting out shot two to one as per usual.

 

[LordKOTL]

Your clarity is to be commended....we are in agreement on many issues and see things in the same light......to knit pick...Kane & Toews were Top-3 picks....when a Chicago team no longer is a contender, then yes, I want them to go to s^#t.....get the high picks and rebuild. There's nothing worse than a team being in purgatory in the standings and draft. As for the GM, I am a fan and believe many of his picks will work out and the BHs will be contending in the not-too-distant future. GMs do and will make questionable moves, but which one hasn't or won't? I don't follow all the whys and wherefores of Chicago teams as years ago, but I'm not understanding when you say.."I doubt he'll be the GM when the team contends again".....

I think some of his moves, like NOT going after some of the waiver wire players who have shown more than some of our roster players (*cough*BRODIE*cough*), Keeping King on the 1st time, going for another AHL convert coach over someone more experienced, keeping King on a 2nd time, and saying that Sorenson will have the job through the entirety of this season as opposed to being open to a more season coach, tell me that he might be playing thigs a bit too safe in terms of the build, or be looking for yes-men behind the bench which is detrimental to the build and are stagnating it.

If the build stagnates much more--especially into next season, I think he should go. We should have seen marginal (probably still bottom-6 in the league) improvement from last year, but we've bottomed out on the shoulders of the vet help he's brough in and the team had the most success when the kids were playing.

I think if we don't get into the 16-20 place slot by the end of next season, he's gone.

 

[UChiLAbear]

I think some of his moves, like NOT going after some of the waiver wire players who have shown more than some of our roster players (*cough*BRODIE*cough*), Keeping King on the 1st time, going for another AHL convert coach over someone more experienced, keeping King on a 2nd time, and saying that Sorenson will have the job through the entirety of this season as opposed to being open to a more season coach, tell me that he might be playing thigs a bit too safe in terms of the build, or be looking for yes-men behind the bench which is detrimental to the build and are stagnating it.

If the build stagnates much more--especially into next season, I think he should go. We should have seen marginal (probably still bottom-6 in the league) improvement from last year, but we've bottomed out on the shoulders of the vet help he's brough in and the team had the most success when the kids were playing.

I think if we don't get into the 16-20 place slot by the end of next season, he's gone.

Thanks for your thoughts. Definitely don't want yes men. I agree that's a detriment Seeing things from different povs is a plus. Yes it does seem they haven't gotten better, but I will say my go to excuse...lol..and mainly blame Jones. I felt they played much better when he was out. Agree, Brodie is here for this season only. Once those 2 are gone, I see a much-improved D. And I do know about Jones' contract, so good luck with that.
The BHs look much better with the kids on the ice, no doubt. Their speed & hustle show. I have no clue about coaches. I didn't mind hiring King, but if he's not good, then bye-bye. Weather a new, or seasoned coach doesn't matter to me. Either can be good. Depends on the person. I can give examples of first time coaches in the NFL that worked out great. Chuck Noll -Steelers 4 SBs.....Jimmy Johnson - Cowboys 2 SBs (and the 3rd won by them was his team) Bud Grant - Vikings 4 SBs, but lost all 4 .......Bill Walsh - 49ers 3 SBs.....Tom Landry - Cowboys - 5 SBs with 2 wins....and there are a handful of 1st timers with 1 SB win. NHL coaches...I haven't a clue. Curious? Was Q a first time HC with the BHs?
My overall with the GM is give him another year or 2 and let's see how his draft picks work out. If they do, then FAs will want to come to Chicago. Get the next "Hossa". But you seem to know more than I. Overall, I defer to you. Thanks again for your thoughts.

 

[WELL USED PUCK]

Ever since li'l blowboy . jr deliberately wrecked this team out of sheer jealousy(first move~undermining the Coach by dumping best players for nothing) it has been the way of this team to trade away those players who could/would/HAVE made an all star roster while getting teen aged hasbeens in return.
Each GM has failed in the same way.

It's like they have been dealing with this guy~

 

[LordKOTL]

Thanks for your thoughts. Definitely don't want yes men. I agree that's a detriment Seeing things from different povs is a plus. Yes it does seem they haven't gotten better, but I will say my go to excuse...lol..and mainly blame Jones. I felt they played much better when he was out. Agree, Brodie is here for this season only. Once those 2 are gone, I see a much-improved D. And I do know about Jones' contract, so good luck with that.
The BHs look much better with the kids on the ice, no doubt. Their speed & hustle show. I have no clue about coaches. I didn't mind hiring King, but if he's not good, then bye-bye. Weather a new, or seasoned coach doesn't matter to me. Either can be good. Depends on the person. I can give examples of first time coaches in the NFL that worked out great. Chuck Noll -Steelers 4 SBs.....Jimmy Johnson - Cowboys 2 SBs (and the 3rd won by them was his team) Bud Grant - Vikings 4 SBs, but lost all 4 .......Bill Walsh - 49ers 3 SBs.....Tom Landry - Cowboys - 5 SBs with 2 wins....and there are a handful of 1st timers with 1 SB win. NHL coaches...I haven't a clue. Curious? Was Q a first time HC with the BHs?
My overall with the GM is give him another year or 2 and let's see how his draft picks work out. If they do, then FAs will want to come to Chicago. Get the next "Hossa". But you seem to know more than I. Overall, I defer to you. Thanks again for your thoughts.

King was supposed to be in charge of offense...and it's not really panning out, but moreover I think KfC should have cleaned house with the coaches.

Q was not a 1st time HC. I think he won as an assistant with Colorado, and he coached the Blues for a bit. By the time the 'hawks got him he had experience, unlike his predecessor, Savard.

We'll see where this goes, though. I don't expect Sorenson to do much this season; and we'll see what happens for coaching int he offseason. I'm hoping we bring in someone seasoned that can work with some of the kids and hold the vets accountable.

 

[ytsejam]

No Brodie tonight.
No forkin' way to out tank the Sharks without Brodie playing.

 

[ytsejam]

Brodie back in.
Jones and Hall out

 

[RacerX]

Brodie back in.
Jones and Hall out

Hall traded it appears in a 3-team deal, waiting on details.

 

[Probie2429]

Hawks acquire Rantanen and trade him and Hall to Carolina for their own 3rd round pick that Carolina owned. Hawks retain 50 % on Mikko and Carolina takes on all of Hall’s cap hit. Net is Hawks pick up about 1.5 million in cap hit for a 3rd. Probably fair value for dumping Hall who simply is a bottom 6 player at this point. That’s where he will thrive in Carolina.

 

[MassHavoc]

What an abomination of a collapse

 

[MassHavoc]

Hawks acquire Rantanen and trade him and Hall to Carolina for their own 3rd round pick that Carolina owned. Hawks retain 50 % on Mikko and Carolina takes on all of Hall’s cap hit. Net is Hawks pick up about 1.5 million in cap hit for a 3rd. Probably fair value for dumping Hall who simply is a bottom 6 player at this point. That’s where he will thrive in Carolina.

"Carolina also acquired the rights to forward Nils Juntorp, drafted 188th overall in 2022 by the Blackhawks, in Friday's deal. Juntorp is currently playing in the third tier of the Swedish Hockey League."

 

[WELL USED PUCK]

FLASH!!!

Slackhawks trade Bedard to the Wild in exchange for a 4,729,678th round pick, still pay 99% of Bedard's salary till he retires and must play the Wild 10 times per season IN MINNESOTA.
Game tickets in Chicago increase 10 fold.
Season tickets no longer available due to an uncertain future of Slackhawks remaining in existence.
Future games will be played on the pond in Columbus Park.

This statement is actually true:
I learned to skate in Columbus Park in 1941 when I was two Y/O.
Within a couple of weeks, I was no longer on double runners.

 

[WELL USED PUCK]

"Carolina also acquired the rights to forward Nils Juntorp, drafted 188th overall in 2022 by the Blackhawks, in Friday's deal. Juntorp is currently playing in the third tier of the Swedish Hockey League."

What does this actually mean such as, do they get this $$$ or do they have to pay it to Ranatanan?

 

[WELL USED PUCK]

Will someone please explain this to me~~

"What does this actually mean such as, do they get this $$$ or do they have to pay it to Ranatanan?"

 

[Raskolnikov]

We needed to add Rantenan to the mix just to fix Bedard and get Hall going, make a run at playoffs next year.

Now we still need Marner or Petterson, don't like trading Hall at such low value when just approaching a year since ACL. He wanted to stay,

I don't think this was the best way to maximize these values.

 

[ytsejam]

Hockey tonight y'all!
Forkin' A!