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Sounds like Seth Jones has green lighted a trade out of Chicago.
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Hockey is back!!
Raaaawwwwwrrrr!!
We are losing and cheated on the interference. Boooo.
A third round pick is not worth trading Danoto.
Why not sign him to a fair deal for 5 years?
If he wants more, you can let him explore. I don't think he will get crazy money for being Bedards only outlet.
The reputation of Bedard leading to a big contract is worth something too. Take the chance, try to sign don't overlay.
Try to trade don't take less than a second or a trade up swap of picks at least.
Like I'll take a third round value in a trade if it's moving up the board in the first or second.
Raaaawwwwwrrrr!!
We are losing and cheated on the interference. Boooo.
A third round pick is not worth trading Danoto.
Why not sign him to a fair deal for 5 years?
If he wants more, you can let him explore. I don't think he will get crazy money for being Bedards only outlet.
The reputation of Bedard leading to a big contract is worth something too. Take the chance, try to sign don't overlay.
Try to trade don't take less than a second or a trade up swap of picks at least.
Like I'll take a third round value in a trade if it's moving up the board in the first or second.
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The other interesting target for Danato or Teuvo is the new Draisatl line in Edmonton.
**** Murphy by the way, goal was his fault as usual. He can be included as sugar free sweetener in any deal.
Savoie was recently brought up to skill for Draisatl And Podz...I've wanted Podz for a long time but they have come to love him with Draisatl.
Savoie in the other hand has a big challenge to produce immediately up here before the deadline, if he sputters they may view a swap for like a
Savoie - Danato/Teuvo or Danato/Murphy
Third team for retention and/or picks?
I don't know but they could part with Savoie if it helps them in 2025.
Former #9 overall, Podz was similar, #10 if I recall....but I'd rather the muscle if available.
**** Murphy by the way, goal was his fault as usual. He can be included as sugar free sweetener in any deal.
Savoie was recently brought up to skill for Draisatl And Podz...I've wanted Podz for a long time but they have come to love him with Draisatl.
Savoie in the other hand has a big challenge to produce immediately up here before the deadline, if he sputters they may view a swap for like a
Savoie - Danato/Teuvo or Danato/Murphy
Third team for retention and/or picks?
I don't know but they could part with Savoie if it helps them in 2025.
Former #9 overall, Podz was similar, #10 if I recall....but I'd rather the muscle if available.
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Donato is worth a 2nd or a first in a future year if the Hawks throw in something else. There are fewer sellers this year due to so many teams being in the hunt. Plus, not too many UFAs that are as cheap as Donato.
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I would think that too but it hasn't been what reporters have been saying.
Savoie would be an interesting alternative at least, where we get excellent value but swap timelines.
Might have to include something else, problem is we can only eat one more contract which is going to make it hard to move Murphy?
Moving Jones will be hard and I'm not sure what the benefit is to us if we eat 5 million for 5 years it cuts into our good years. And nobody wants the back end of that thing. .
Truly an insane contract from the start.
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It won’t be hard to move Jones. He’s still useful and can play heavy minutes. He’s just not a game breaker. Sharks were able to move Karlsson only eating 1.5 million. If a contender can fit him at around 8 million, they will be lining up.
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I can't tell what he is good at?
Skating I guess.
Between him and Murphy that's 15 million in traffic cones.
Korchinski and Kaiser cant do worse.
Every time there is a goal one of those two is standing there watching or didn't hit somebody or missed a stick poke and wasted their position.
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I put it at a small chance Jones is moved by next week, but in the offseason, it is a guarantee.
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Seth Jones isn't as bad as his contract is.
Salary cap is projected to go up too so his shitty contract isn't looking quite as bad in the future.
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Those two are Bobby Orr compared to TJ Brodie
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Keep telling ourselves that while wondering why we can't trade him with half of it for chopsticks.
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The amazing part is when you look at all the guys who would have signed with us for long term mid level.
Leddy, Forsberg for starters. Their abilities were not invisible either, bad asset management.
Leddy, Forsberg for starters. Their abilities were not invisible either, bad asset management.
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I get the feeling we'll find a taker for Jones in the off-season, but what KfC can't do is move him for the sake of moving him. Between the full NMC, Cap hit, and/or duration there is some wiggle room for the 'hawks to be in a better position than they are now.
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It will be cheaper for teams to acquire Jones than go out into UFA and pay someone with the cap jumping so much. Jones is 30 which is when most UFAs hit the market if they are good anyway.
Jones is in the top 15 of dmen in the league regardless of what people say. His plus/minus is horrible but that’s because the Hawks stink and he plays a lot of minutes. The reason his contract is bad for the Hawks is because they were on the cusp of rebuilding not contending when Bowman acquired him.
Hawks can afford to retain something like 2 million a season to get a better return, but it’s not so much about getting a return for the Hawks but clearing salary cap to reallocate elsewhere to a player that fits the rebuild timeline better.
Dallas is the most connected to Jones from all accounts. They were interested when he was made available by Columbus but the Hawks’ 1st rounder was better than anything Dallas could offer. Dallas has a lot of money coming off the books plus all the LTIR money from injuries to fit him in this season.
I think something like this is possible:
Dallas gets Jones and their 2025 2nd rounder back.
Hawks get Dallas 2026 first rounder lottery protected, one of Stankhoven or Emil Hemming, and Matthew Dumba to even out some money and play minutes in Chicago.
Hawks retain 1.5 million while Dumba could be bought out or flipped in the offseason with only next year remaining in his contract.
Jones is in the top 15 of dmen in the league regardless of what people say. His plus/minus is horrible but that’s because the Hawks stink and he plays a lot of minutes. The reason his contract is bad for the Hawks is because they were on the cusp of rebuilding not contending when Bowman acquired him.
Hawks can afford to retain something like 2 million a season to get a better return, but it’s not so much about getting a return for the Hawks but clearing salary cap to reallocate elsewhere to a player that fits the rebuild timeline better.
Dallas is the most connected to Jones from all accounts. They were interested when he was made available by Columbus but the Hawks’ 1st rounder was better than anything Dallas could offer. Dallas has a lot of money coming off the books plus all the LTIR money from injuries to fit him in this season.
I think something like this is possible:
Dallas gets Jones and their 2025 2nd rounder back.
Hawks get Dallas 2026 first rounder lottery protected, one of Stankhoven or Emil Hemming, and Matthew Dumba to even out some money and play minutes in Chicago.
Hawks retain 1.5 million while Dumba could be bought out or flipped in the offseason with only next year remaining in his contract.
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Agreed. His offense and the ability to soak up minutes makes him a top-2 D-man, but he's nothing special on the defensive side of things and he can't keep the puck in at the blueline to save his life. He's not a 3-zone defenseman; he's not the next coming of Duncan Keith. For him to be effective he needs a D-1st player playing with him. Vlassic worked, but for some reason they pair Jones him with Martinez who looks like Sean O'Donnell out there--old and slow. I can't fault Jones for having to lug his carcass up and down the ice.
That being said, Jones isn't ****-flavored-lollipop worthless like Brodie, he's just overpaid and not used properly.
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Re-thinking this we should keep him over taking a 5 mil cap hit per season and get nothing back.
Problem is I think he blows so bad we can't trade him for half his salary plus nothing back.
And we want to trade him to reduce half his salary and get nothing back.
Nobody is gonna give us shit.
Might as well use the cap eat to help Murphy move who has been the best vet soldier for several years.
Problem is I think he blows so bad we can't trade him for half his salary plus nothing back.
And we want to trade him to reduce half his salary and get nothing back.
Nobody is gonna give us shit.
Might as well use the cap eat to help Murphy move who has been the best vet soldier for several years.
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And he's a locker room cancer to boot. It's so bad he has to ask like an out of touch ego freak....I want to be captain?
And Hawks are like? Huh? Why don't you try leading every now and again first?
And Hawks are like? Huh? Why don't you try leading every now and again first?