Official Blackhawks 2024 Offseason Thread-Bedard owns Chicago

[LordKOTL]

Re-thinking this we should keep him over taking a 5 mil cap hit per season and get nothing back.

Problem is I think he blows so bad we can't trade him for half his salary plus nothing back.

And we want to trade him to reduce half his salary and get nothing back.

Nobody is gonna give us shit.
Might as well use the cap eat to help Murphy move who has been the best vet soldier for several years.

There are potential options with Jones. Right now we're having issues hitting the cap floor, so taking on salary doesn't hurt--and likely won't until/unless a few of the rookies command huge salaries--not just Bedard. What we'll want is flexibility to shed salary later, but we can take on a bunch of cap--and taking on dead cap means that we should also get some bones thrown in our direction to do so.

So, on a hypothetical, if we trade Jones' 9.5M through 2030 for more AAV we're taking on, but for a shorter duration (say 2027), that move works for us.

Cap space can be weaponized, and KfC should start doing it.

 

[Raskolnikov]

I think Jones is a type....

He might weirdly fit the Canucks who aren't sure what they are missing. Probably with and without Hughes throughout a game.

Senators need offense but Uhlmark would hate him.

Bruins could take that chance if they trade Marchand in a three way.

He does seem like a guy somebody might try, but we should play him less minutes and upgrade his efficiency with more tactical pairings. Quit making him the scapegoat if you want anything back.

I don't think we can get anything back. I'm just really at a point where I don't think you can play winning hockey with him, I don't want him here at any price.

If we retain use him on the second power play and reduce his minutes to 24. See if he improves?

What we are doing is not working for anyone and not selling him. Please stop it.

 

[ZOMBIE@CTESPN]

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[greg23]

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Surprised they flipped him and a 4th for a goalie and a 1st

Be intersted in the salary retained

 

[ytsejam]

Surprised they flipped him and a 4th for a goalie and a 1st

Be intersted in the salary retained

2.5 million retained

 

[Raskolnikov]

2.5 million retained

Until 2030?

 

[Raskolnikov]

Not bad. Save some face, addition by subtraction of Jones.
I like Spencer Knight as well.
He also gives us a known commodity to assess just how bad the defense might be right now.

Get Korchinski up right away there is some heavy lifting needs replaced.

Murphy has been a great soldier and may need to soldier on to keep things stable.

Jettison Martinez and give power play 1 to Korchinski. PP2 to Vlasic.

All hands on deck to finish this season with some morale left.

I do want to discuss the picks we wasted chasing goalies and the forwards we passed on to do it.

What of Gajan and Commeeso now? Spencer Knight is a gem but he is gonna need paid.

This trade was a win but only if they trade or extend Knight long term.

Likely we got equivalent to a second and gave up equivalent to a third in Florida eyes.

This was a financial win for Panthers as well as player value.

 

[greg23]

Not bad. Save some face, addition by subtraction of Jones.
I like Spencer Knight as well.
He also gives us a known commodity to assess just how bad the defense might be right now.

Get Korchinski up right away there is some heavy lifting needs replaced.

Murphy has been a great soldier and may need to soldier on to keep things stable.

Jettison Martinez and give power play 1 to Korchinski. PP2 to Vlasic.

All hands on deck to finish this season with some morale left.

I do want to discuss the picks we wasted chasing goalies and the forwards we passed on to do it.

What of Gajan and Commeeso now? Spencer Knight is a gem but he is gonna need paid.

This trade was a win but only if they trade or extend Knight long term.

Likely we got equivalent to a second and gave up equivalent to a third in Florida eyes.

This was a financial win for Panthers as well as player value.

They can start by stop playing TJ Brodie....even if they're also able to dump Martinez.

They should also move Smith and Maroon....esp after his goal tonight; strike while the iron is hot.....

They also should never not suit up Reichel...esp behind those two and now AA

Quit playing 30+ year old stiffs in a rebuild and figure something out about your "youth".....pretty sure the "youth" can continue to be the worst/2nd worst team in the NHL

 

[Raskolnikov]

They can start by stop playing TJ Brodie....even if they're also able to dump Martinez.

They should also move Smith and Maroon....esp after his goal tonight; strike while the iron is hot.....

They also should never not suit up Reichel...esp behind those two and now AA

Quit playing 30+ year old stiffs in a rebuild and figure something out about your "youth".....pretty sure the "youth" can continue to be the worst/2nd worst team in the NHL

I mostly agree.
The issue is the long term battle of attrition in the NHL and not getting your ass physically kicked in, and the repercussions of developing youth in that circumstance especially skill players.

I think Slaggert and Micheyev and Dach are starting to give us more flexibility in that regard.

And we paid Foligno and Murphy to be our grit as well and likely can't move them without taking on a bad contract.

Move AA/Maroon/Martinez for sure as they have attributes teams should want.
Reichel and Kurashev I just don't know, do they hang out? Seem euro-soft. No fire, no edge. I don't know what they are waiting for or not doing as I'm not around them. I would have doubled or tripled their physical strength by now and turned them into warriors. Can't fix the lack of fire to get mean and strong.

We aren't going to get a fair return on Reichel or Kurashev, might as well keep and try to salvage. They were good Harry Potter clone robots if he just had 25 of them to bore the hockey world to death.

 

[Probie2429]

Good trade for both teams. Panthers have Cup aspirations. Hawks pick up assets for future and shed a large contract. By the time the Hawks might be a .500 club, 2.5 million will be the average 4th liner’s cap hit.

KD still has work to do. Donato, Maroon, Smith, and Martinez. They don’t have the ability to retain on any other contracts now so they would need to involve a 3rd team to move Martinez most likely.

 

[Probie2429]

Nobody wants this dude at half his price

Get real

Someone wanted him at 75 % and gave up a promising goalie AND a first round pick. Go figure.

 

[MassHavoc]

I'm hopeful the league can capitalize on the recent exposure from the 4 nations and Olympics enough that the economy of the game will grow enough to make that 2.5M worth a lot less in the future with the cap going up. Aside from that I believe they can include the hit in future deals or is that not a thing anymore?

What I don't know that I like is that it's 2026 1st. And they can still trade it making it 27. I'd almost prefer just getting the 27. Image 26 draft night thinking you have it only to have it traded for you.

 

[Probie2429]

Florida has until this year’s draft to move the 26’ pick or it transfers to Chicago. I think they should turn right around and give the 26’ pick for Donato so then Hawks have their 26’ and 27’ first rounders.

 

[MassHavoc]

Florida has until this year’s draft to move the 26’ pick or it transfers to Chicago. I think they should turn right around and give the 26’ pick for Donato so then Hawks have their 26’ and 27’ first rounders.

I hope they can keep danato long term on a decent contract

 

[Raskolnikov]

Good trade for both teams. Panthers have Cup aspirations. Hawks pick up assets for future and shed a large contract. By the time the Hawks might be a .500 club, 2.5 million will be the average 4th liner’s cap hit.

KD still has work to do. Donato, Maroon, Smith, and Martinez. They don’t have the ability to retain on any other contracts now so they would need to involve a 3rd team to move Martinez most likely.

Or include with Donato.

Someone wanted him at 75 % and gave up a promising goalie AND a first round pick. Go figure.

Well, it's 12.5 million, and it still hurts 5 years from now while Florida gets a discount defenseman in expanding cap for 5 years.

They will view it as a two round jump, a second round value (pick 30) for a third round value (pick 99).

Knight is the real prize IF we can keep him. He isn't just a promising goalie, he is my most coveted young goalie.

 

[ZOMBIE@CTESPN]

Or include with Donato.

Well, it's 12.5 million, and it still hurts 5 years from now while Florida gets a discount defenseman in expanding cap for 5 years.

They will view it as a two round jump, a second round value (pick 30) for a third round value (pick 99).

Knight is the real prize IF we can keep him. He isn't just a promising goalie, he is my most coveted young goalie.

Florida is in a diff position than this team. Hoping hawks can show they can get to that level in next few years with all the young talent they’ve stock piled.

 

[Probie2429]

People worried about 2.5 million retention must not realize it will be about 1 % of the cap in 3 years. In 2-3 years, the Hawks might just start hitting a competitive window. They have so much cap that it is inconsequential.

 

[LordKOTL]

Good trade, not to mention a win after the fact.

We got a goalie and a 1st for Jones with 25% retained. KfC did very well.

 

[hester247]

I really hope that Blackhawks dont trade Donato short of getting 1st rd pick in return. He is the kind of player you keep and build around for a longer term. Younger veteran who leads through play and isnt gonna require enormous paycheck.

 

[Raskolnikov]

People worried about 2.5 million retention must not realize it will be about 1 % of the cap in 3 years. In 2-3 years, the Hawks might just start hitting a competitive window. They have so much cap that it is inconsequential.

No it's not. It ads up. It's a 4th line player, it's ability to make a move, equivalent to a decent pick. I'm not saying it's a big deal but it's not nothing especially after you pay Bedard and your future goalie.

Davidson hinted we could trade the Florida pick as part of the package for proven young player as well. He called it draft capital, I don't think he cares much if it's this year and assumes it won't be.