Official Epstein Thread (Epstein baseball side prez/Hoyer is GM)

[Uman85]

Cutler should pitch for the Cubs. Less chance of him getting killed by the opposing defense.

Unless a defensive lineman is batting.

 

[Rice Cube]

He would probably start to miss it. And feel uncomfortable and just hit the opposing hitter so he'll charge and tackle him on the mound to feel more at home.

What's the equivalent of an interception in baseball? Hehe.

 

[Uman85]

What's the equivalent of an interception in baseball? Hehe.

I'd say the equivalent of a pick-6 is a home run. Maybe a HBP or a double would be like an interception.

 

[Rick]

Rick's entire theory sounds like the premise for a shitty segment with David Kaplan or a shitty article by Phil Rogers.

The underlying theory is that you shouldn't expect overnight miracles even with Theo at the helm. I don't think most intelligent Cubs fans think he's going to start shitting gold and firing rainbows out of his mouth when he burps after eating a bison dog :lol:

Good to be cautiously optimistic. Nobody knows what Theo is going to do or how this will turn out, so hope for the best.

At least you're capable of reading between the lines Rice Cube

 

[Uman85]

 

[FirstTimer]

You wasted your time typing out the differences between a player and a general manager.

Congratulations on picking that up. You aren't nearly as brain dead as I previously thought. I figured I had to point it out since what you previously posted basically ignored that blatantly obvious fact.

They're both being viewed upon as saviors to right the ship of their organizations at their respective positions.

Cutler wasn't brought in to "right the ship". He was brought in to put a borderline playoff team over the top.

Do you really think that I didn't know that the roles they play in doing that are different?

Yes.

Cutler throws 26 interceptions in 2009 and gets criticized for not being the next coming of Tom Brady

Who expected that of Cutler?

Anyone?

What person with a functioning brain expected Cutler to be Tom Brady?

Let's take this Special person comparison one step further. In 2010 the Bears went to the NFC Championship game. Be careful Cubs fans! In Theo's second season the Cubs might go to the NLCS based on the "Cutler-Epstein Scale of Comparisons". Be afraid! Be very afraid and cautious!

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No one, at least not the dumbasses, cared that Angelo didn't try to get him a competent wide receiver when he got here. People expected him to throw 50 yard bombs every week to a guy like Devin Hester with a 162 year old Orlando Pace trying to protect him. They just figured "he's Jay Cutler who threw for 4,000+ yards and went to a Pro Bowl" and didn't consider that the talent on the Bears was far less lucrative than what he had in Denver...

So you write and appeal to the bottom feeding mouth breathing fan? Awesome. Maybe that's because that's the level you operate on and can't comprehend any higher.

Let's just say, the Cubs lose 90 games again next year. Epstein gets criticized because the meatballs expect a World Series victory right now because he's Theo Epstein, the man who brought two championships to Boston for the first time after years of torment. Of course, this is just one of many possible scenarios that could happen in 2012...

Wow. Insightful stuff.

Each of them will get criticized for different things in their roles but the fact that both of them are being expected to do big things are completely the same.

Again you float to the most simplistic childish "logic" in the entire scenario.

Great.

From now on I'll just assume your posts are nothing but pointless drivel that carry no real point but just preach and talk to the Special person part of the fan base in some vain attempt to make yourself feel as though you proved any sort of well thought out point.

You'd be great working for the Trib.

You type up Epstein's success >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cuter's success

When the **** was I comparing their successes to each other?

Seriously? You can't see the connection between previous successes and expectations set upon people?

I'm the one that can't (implied)read between the lines?

Fantastic irony here.

It's kind of tough to use Cutler as a warning beacon for built up expectations in relation to Epstein when Epstein has been vastly more successful at his job than Cutler so the expectation should be higher than they were for Cutler. Using Cutler as a cautionary tale for Epstein misses the mark because the situations, the people, the previous successes are so vastly different it renders the comparison completely irrelevant.

But yeah let's dumb this down to some meatballish "ZOMG a big trade/signing!!!" comparison.

Nice work. Keep shooting for the lowest common denominator.

You're the one who seems to want to turn this into a dick measuring contest between Cutler and Epstein.

No. But great job missing the point!

 

[Jntg4]

EYT has to suck waldo's balls now.

 

[zack54attack]

 

[Jntg4]

fisch, the Cubs already fired CO. Remember? He is Jim Hendry!

 

[inactiveuser1]

Congratulations on picking that up. You aren't nearly as brain dead as I previously thought. I figured I had to point it out since what you previously posted basically ignored that blatantly obvious fact.



Cutler wasn't brought in to "right the ship". He was brought in to put a borderline playoff team over the top.


Yes.






Who expected that of Cutler?

Anyone?

What person with a functioning brain expected Cutler to be Tom Brady?

Let's take this Special person comparison one step further. In 2010 the Bears went to the NFC Championship game. Be careful Cubs fans! In Theo's second season the Cubs might go to the NLCS based on the "Cutler-Epstein Scale of Comparisons". Be afraid! Be very afraid and cautious!

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So you write and appeal to the bottom feeding mouth breathing fan? Awesome. Maybe that's because that's the level you operate on and can't comprehend any higher.

Wow. Insightful stuff.


Again you float to the most simplistic childish "logic" in the entire scenario.

Great.

From now on I'll just assume your posts are nothing but pointless drivel that carry no real point but just preach and talk to the Special person part of the fan base in some vain attempt to make yourself feel as though you proved any sort of well thought out point.

You'd be great working for the Trib,
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Seriously? You can't see the connection between previous successes and expectations set upon people?

I'm the one that can't (implied)read between the lines?

Fantastic irony here.

It's kind of tough to use Cutler as a warning beacon for built up expectations in relation to Epstein when Epstein has been vastly more successful at his job than Cutler so the expectation should be higher than they were for Cutler.
Using Cutler as a cautionary tale for Epstein misses the mark because the situations, the people, the previous successes are so vastly different it renders the comparison completely irrelevant.

But yeah let's dumb this down to some meatballish "ZOMG a big trade/signing!!!" comparison.

Nice work. Keep shooting for the lowest common denominator.





No. But great job missing the point!

1. Don't criticize Rick so meanly he is a writer and your not last time I checked
2. This is why I stay away from any thread with you in it
3. You deserve that master debater award your good at it lol
4.

 

[Jntg4]

1. Don't criticize Rick so meanly he is a writer and your not last time I checked
2. This is why I stay away from any thread with you in it
3. You deserve that master debater award your good at it lol
4.

He actually was nominated for master debater.

 

[FirstTimer]

1. Don't criticize Rick so meanly he is a writer and your not last time I checked
2. This is why I stay away from any thread with you in it
3. You deserve that master debater award your good at it lol
4.

Proof? I have yet to see any.

 

[FirstTimer]

He actually was nominated for master debater.

I won it actually.



http://www.chicitysports.com/forum/ccs-announcements/13931-ccs-yearly-awards-announced.html

 

[zack54attack]

Your so mean FirstTimer... Your a BULLY!


lolwut.

 

[zack54attack]

I lol'd..

 

[Jntg4]

I lol'd..

I lol'd as well

 

[Rick]

Congratulations on picking that up. You aren't nearly as brain dead as I previously thought. I figured I had to point it out since what you previously posted basically ignored that blatantly obvious fact.

Didn't think I needed to explain the different roles of a player compared to a general manager. I figured people would immediately understand that certain expectations are demanded of people who have had success in previous places that go to a place where there's been quite a bit of non-success. Don't want to see Epstein crucified after one season if the Cubs finish under .500.

Cutler wasn't brought in to "right the ship". He was brought in to put a borderline playoff team over the top.

So Cutler wasn't brought in to be a franchise quarterback? To bring stability at a position that has been a train wreck since Jim McMahon or if you want to go even deeper, Sid Luckman? A World War II era quarterback...

Yes.

You're an idiot then and, slightly off the topic, a complete tool not only because of your douchebag looking avatar but because you choose to come to an internet message board and argue 99% of what the people on it say.

Who expected that of Cutler?

Anyone?

What person with a functioning brain expected Cutler to be Tom Brady?

Let's take this Special person comparison one step further. In 2010 the Bears went to the NFC Championship game. Be careful Cubs fans! In Theo's second season the Cubs might go to the NLCS based on the "Cutler-Epstein Scale of Comparisons". Be afraid! Be very afraid and cautious!

SI, ridiculously, had them going to the Super Bowl in 2009 based solely on the Cutler acquisition. Did you listen to the radio the day Cutler was traded to the Bears? Every moron in the world calling in thought he was an elite Tom Brady type quarterback. The guy has the talent to be an elite quarterback but for obvious reasons he's not at the moment. Maybe you're smart enough to know what they are, I know you think you are but who knows. As for the end of your comment there, remedial attempt at offensive sarcasm.

So you write and appeal to the bottom feeding mouth breathing fan? Awesome. Maybe that's because that's the level you operate on and can't comprehend any higher.

Jesus...You're the one I had to fucking explain it to. Idiot.

Wow. Insightful stuff.

Would there not be a scenario where Epstein gets blamed if the Cubs tanked next year? That's completely out of the realm of possibilities? You don't see the meatball part of the fan base criticizing him if they aren't a playoff contender right away next year?

Again you float to the most simplistic childish "logic" in the entire scenario.



Great.

From now on I'll just assume your posts are nothing but pointless drivel that carry no real point but just preach and talk to the Special person part of the fan base in some vain attempt to make yourself feel as though you proved any sort of well thought out point.

You'd be great working for the Trib.

Hmm ok, you weren't understanding what I was talking about in the initial post that I wasn't comparing Epstein's and Cutler's success to each other. I'm comparing the expectations the were set upon them by various, but not all, individuals of each team's fan base. I'm talking about Epstein in the past tense but it doesn't really matter because, like I said, certain people are going to think he's gonna turn the Cubs into contenders immediately, something I don't think is going to be happen.

Again, I felt I had to break down what I was saying for you to understand it. Are you simple minded?

Assume what you want about my posts, I don't give a ****. Why would I take anything you have to say seriously when you, and I can only assume it's you, have a picture of yourself as your avatar wearing a tuxedo in some half-assed attempt to make yourself look intelligent. Then it says says "classin it up!" underneath. You should change it to "douching it up!" (Insert your stupid, foreseeable response to that here:______________)

Seriously? You can't see the connection between previous successes and expectations set upon people?

I see it fine. I'll ask you...Were there certain expectations demanded of Cutler when he came to the Bears? Will there be certain expectations demanded of Epstein when he gets to the Cubs?

The whole point of what I'm saying isn't to gauge how much success they had in the past or to compare a player and a general manager. There's no comparison in that regard but what you can compare is the fact that because of the previous success they've had, no matter how different that success was to each of the two individuals, big expectations are being demanded of them because they're assumed to be a lot better then what was previously had. Of course the expectations will be higher of Epstein because he put together championship teams.

However it doesn't mean that the expectations of Cutler were any smaller because some fans had the impression they were getting a franchise quarterback right away and therefore made high demands of him. Again, I don't want to see people unfairly criticize Epstein if the Cubs don't win next year just like I didn't want to see Cutler unfairly criticized when people wrongly labeled him an elite quarterback and expected the world of him. There were people out there saying he was an elite quarterback, believe me I heard it and they couldn't have been more wrong. Let's hope that the fact Epstein has won two championships doesn't get lost in the shuffle but I think it will if he doesn't win right away.

No. But great job missing the point!

Yes. The only one here missing the point is you!

 

[Rick]

Come on FirstTimer...hurry up with your response and the undoubtedly questions of my intelligence and insults that are going to come with it.

 

[Rick]

Proof? I have yet to see any.

Oh man, you got me there.

 

[FirstTimer]

Don't want to see Epstein crucified after one season if the Cubs finish under .500.

See comments about pandering to the meatballs because that's all you can connect and write to.

So Cutler wasn't brought in to be a franchise quarterback?

What?! Hmm I said Cutler was brought into to take a borderline playoff team over the top. How does that NOT make Cutler a franchise QB? When did I imply that he wasn't brought in to be that? Do you have a learning disability?

You're an idiot then and, slightly off the topic, a complete tool not only because of your douchebag looking avatar

Oooooooooh!

I'd comment on yours but I have them turned off.

:crazydance:

SI, ridiculously, had them going to the Super Bowl in 2009 based solely on the Cutler acquisition.

And that makes Cutler Tom Brady?

Did you listen to the radio the day Cutler was traded to the Bears? Every moron in the world calling in thought he was an elite Tom Brady type quarterback.

Did you NOT read my question?

I ask this:

What person with a functioning brain expected Cutler to be Tom Brady?

And you answer with the bolded above as if it's an answer to the question?!

Seriously?

Do you have a learning disability?

Jesus...You're the one I had to fucking explain it to. Idiot.

Do you even realize what the discussion is? I "understood" what you wrote. I just found it to be so idiotically meatballish and simple minded I felt like calling your stupid ass out on it.

I understood what you wrote perfectly fine. I'm taking issue wit your absurdly simple minded and 4th grade-esque reasoning.

For **** sakes you're slow.

You don't see the meatball part of the fan base criticizing him if they aren't a playoff contender right away next year?

Again.

Not.

The.

Point.

You spent time pandering to the meatball idiot crowd and cautioning them with the tale of Cutler. Why waste your time and even take that road? They are meatballs and morons. Not only that your reasoning was so middle school it was laughable. The fact that you are actually trying to defend your viewpoint leads me to believe you are a meatball yourself and your posts are simply an attempt to keep your dumb ass in check expectations wise.

I'm comparing the expectations the were set upon them by various, but not all, individuals of each team's fan base

I know thisis going to be REALLY difficult for you but stop and think for one second what is the main reason for those expectations being levied upon them?...............Wait for it.........wait for it................Oh yeah. Their previous fucking performances! Jay Cutler didn't come with the same expectations as Rick Mirer. Epstein wouldn't have expectations like he does/will if he didn't do his job so damn well. Comparing two peoples expectations but ignoring the reasons and basis for each person's expectations is so shallowly thought out it amazes me you are able to dress yourself.

Assume what you want about my posts, I don't give a ****.

U mad bruh? Why you keep responding then?

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have a picture of yourself as your avatar wearing a tuxedo

You can NOT seriously be this dumb.

.Were there certain expectations demanded of Cutler when he came to the Bears? Will there be certain expectations demanded of Epstein when he gets to the Cubs?

So obviously missing the point right now it's laughable.

The whole point of what I'm saying isn't to gauge how much success they had in the past

That's idiotic because those past success have a direct relation to the expectations placed upon them now. Jesus Mary and Joseph.

There's no comparison in that regard

Well duh.

they're assumed to be a lot better then what was previously had.

Assumed? Nothing was assumed that they were better. Their track record proved it.

Of course the expectations will be higher of Epstein because he put together championship teams.

However it doesn't mean that the expectations of Cutler were any smaller

Congrats on contradicting yourself in back to back sentences...............

I don't want to see people unfairly criticize Epstein if the Cubs don't win next year

Meatballs aren't people.

But keep pandering to them to pump out articles.