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[DefNextYear]

Except his arm length was measured at 33"

I saw somewhere he was over 34" on his pro day. The combine measurements were seemingly crap across the board.

 

[DefNextYear]

Patellar tendon ruptures in National Football League players - PubMed

Patellar tendon ruptures can occur in otherwise healthy professional football players without antecedent symptoms or predisposing factors. The most common mechanism of injury is eccentric overload. Close attention should be paid to stability examination of the knee given the not uncommon...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Although, the recent ones seemed to have lost ability upon returning (Jimmy Graham and Victor Cruz).

So this article instills confidence in you? How good were those players that returned? Were they as good or better than before the injury? We're talking high end draft value with Simmons. I have not found a single top end player in the NBA or NFL that had a torn patella. The only guy I found who even played much was Morris Claiborne who had an average career being constantly injured and playing on life long 1 year deals. He never quite lived up to being the 6th overall pick. I can't find an all-star... pro bowler... all pro... nothing. Everyone is a journeyman at best after that injury.

If you want to dig deeper, big boys like LeCharles Bentley ended his career with this injury. Lucas Niang is basically a bust at this point, but he can't even make it on the field. Being a 300 lb monster on a shakey knee chasing other big boys is not a recipe for good things.

 

[bears51/40]

It’s a contract year. He’s putting in extra work to come back strong.

Because of his injury he has not been able to put in any work. Hell, he just came out of the boot a weel ago. Also, because of injuries Jones has missed 11 games over the last two seasons. Risk does not match the reward for the 2025 season. Campbell or Banks at 10, don't think Membou will make it that far.

 

[--CyBear--]

Except his arm length was measured at 33"

Copied and pasted. No idea what's correct.

 

[HearshotKDS]

Results: Eleven of the 24 injuries had antecedent symptoms. The most common mechanism of injury was an eccentric overload to a contracting extensor mechanism. Physical examination demonstrated a palpable defect in all players. Twenty-two were complete ruptures, and 2 were partial injuries. Three of the 24 cases had a concomitant anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) injury. In 19 of the 24 injuries, the player returned to participate in at least 1 game in the NFL. Players who returned were drafted, on average, in the fourth round, while those who failed to return to play were drafted, on average, in the sixth round. Of those players who returned to play, the average number of games played was 45.4, with a range of 1 to 142 games

Lmao from the article you shared.

They noted successful return as participating in 1 game in the NFL. Nice!

So on average you're looking at 3 years of play left after a sucessfuly recovery, with no objective data on quality of post-recovery play. Thats a hard pass for me but I wish him well.

 

[baredown]

Do not understand the Simmons deification. He's a fourth-year guy. Campbell, Membou, Banks, & Conerly are all three-year guys. They'll all go in the 1st round, with Campbell & Membou going in the top 10. If Simmons came out last year, as a three-year guy, he'd probably have ended up being an early day-3 pick. Essentially, his NFL 1st round-worthy resume is the first five games of this year, against the likes of Akron, WMU, Marshall, Mich. St., and Iowa. After he gets hurt, Donovan Jackson swings over from G to play LT, and does a really solid job there. So maybe its not that hard to play LT on a team with ~15 guys about to get drafted. Sorry, just don't see Simmons as the second coming of Joe Alt that some people apparently do...

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Do not understand the Simmons deification. He's a fourth-year guy. Campbell, Membou, Banks, & Conerly are all three-year guys. They'll all go in the 1st round, with Campbell & Membou going in the top 10. If Simmons came out last year, as a three-year guy, he'd probably have ended up being an early day-3 pick. Essentially, his NFL 1st round-worthy resume is the first five games of this year, against the likes of Akron, WMU, Marshall, Mich. St., and Iowa. After he gets hurt, Donovan Jackson swings over from G to play LT, and does a really solid job there. So maybe its not that hard to play LT on a team with ~15 guys about to get drafted. Sorry, just don't see Simmons as the second coming of Joe Alt that some people apparently do...

Those are the 4 I am most interested in

 

[alswank87]

Results: Eleven of the 24 injuries had antecedent symptoms. The most common mechanism of injury was an eccentric overload to a contracting extensor mechanism. Physical examination demonstrated a palpable defect in all players. Twenty-two were complete ruptures, and 2 were partial injuries. Three of the 24 cases had a concomitant anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) injury. In 19 of the 24 injuries, the player returned to participate in at least 1 game in the NFL. Players who returned were drafted, on average, in the fourth round, while those who failed to return to play were drafted, on average, in the sixth round. Of those players who returned to play, the average number of games played was 45.4, with a range of 1 to 142 games

Lmao from the article you shared.

They noted successful return as participating in 1 game in the NFL. Nice!

With an average of 3 years playing afterward.

 

[Dstone5553]

Because of his injury he has not been able to put in any work. Hell, he just came out of the boot a weel ago. Also, because of injuries Jones has missed 11 games over the last two seasons. Risk does not match the reward for the 2025 season. Campbell or Banks at 10, don't think Membou will make it that far.

I have no real idea but my guess is Poles and co don't want to move Wright to left tackle. I just don't think they want to **** with the guy at this point in his career. He's looking good and he's improving and I don't think they want to mess with that. To my mind, he's staying at RT.

And I'm also guessing they wouldn't want to move Membou from RT either.

 

[SugarWalls]

With an average of 3 years playing afterward.

I would have to go back to the article to see how that was determined but as you can see the range is massive, doesn’t seem wise to put much weight into an average of 1-145. The variance is too large.

That also excluded those that didn’t return.

It also gives no information as to quality of play. Were they back ups? Bad players? Pro bowlers? Did they return to a different position? Did they start?

All the measured was did they play

 

[DC]

What do you not like about it?

The key to a better response to your thread would have been to type a paragraph of two why you think Warren would be a great asset for BJ and the Bears. Just posting an image of it with no commentary is akin to a preschooler fingering painting a POS, shoving it in your face and walking away. No one gives a shit about your water colors, sport.

I say that as a fellow man who was Sportin' an Orton' in 2005/2006 as well. Godspeed!

 

[bears51/40]

I have no real idea but my guess is Poles and co don't want to move Wright to left tackle. I just don't think they want to **** with the guy at this point in his career. He's looking good and he's improving and I don't think they want to mess with that. To my mind, he's staying at RT.

And I'm also guessing they wouldn't want to move Membou from RT either.

Agree, just draft that pure LT at 10.

 

[Katesboobsrgr8]

Agree, just draft that pure LT at 10.

Who is that pure LT? This draft sucks for tackles, it's s really weak position group. I really want a LT myself, but not at the opportunity cost of Grant or Green for a group of guys that don't project to be impact players at LT, if they can even stick.

 

[alswank87]

I would have to go back to the article to see how that was determined but as you can see the range is massive, doesn’t seem wise to put much weight into an average of 1-145. The variance is too large.

That also excluded those that didn’t return.

It also gives no information as to quality of play. Were they back ups? Bad players? Pro bowlers? Did they return to a different position? Did they start?

All the measured was did they play

Well, you made it seem like it was a career ender. 145 games is a long time.

 

[SugarWalls]

Well, you made it seem like it was a career ender. 145 games is a long time.

The range was 1 game to 145 games. Without the full article it’s hard to garner much info. What if 7 people played 1 game and then a few played 10 and then 1 person played 145 games, is a massive outlier, and skews the average.

Hard to say without the full article

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Who is that pure LT? This draft sucks for tackles, it's s really weak position group. I really want a LT myself, but not at the opportunity cost of Grant or Green for a group of guys that don't project to be impact players at LT, if they can even stick.

Banks.

 

[alswank87]

The range was 1 game to 145 games. Without the full article it’s hard to garner much info. What if 7 people played 1 game and then a few played 10 and then 1 person played 145 games, is a massive outlier, and skews the average.

Hard to say without the full article

You can say 1 person played 145 games after a similar injury.

 

[SugarWalls]

You can say 1 person played 145 games after a similar injury.

Are you literally Jim Carrey from dumb and dumber or just playing a joke?

 

[knoxville7]

Are you literally Jim Carrey from dumb and dumber or just playing a joke?

at least Jim's character was funny. this guy aint

 

[alswank87]

Are you literally Jim Carrey from dumb and dumber or just playing a joke?

I’m saying your premise is wrong that Simmons career is done because of his injury.