OFFICIAL Offseason Rumors, Signings, and Shenanigans

maxhatter · May 17, 2022

Dejo said:
This is the part of the game Kmet needs to prove some shit

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1526357123260723201

By the way, that was a really good throw by Fields; put it right where he needed to put it

Les Grossman · May 17, 2022

rawdawg said:
I've said this a bunch of times, but it's not all or nothing. Poles can believe Fields is the guy without basically forcing that belief. If Poles went out and traded for one of the WRs that was on the market (Hill, Cooper, AJ Brown) and signed Armstead, which admittedly I wanted them to do, then what happens if he's wrong and Fields is not the guy? So, you paid all this money for guys that are protecting or receiving from a bust. By the time you fix the QB position, Armstead would be old and probably a FA. Brown will be wasted with mediocre numbers from a bad QB. And valuable picks would have been traded away. Most importantly to Poles, he would likely be fired for spending a bunch of money and not being able to develop a QB with high level talent around him.

But if you wait to add big pieces until you confirm your beliefs about Fields, then you aren't wasting money, talent and picks because you already have the QB in place.

How exactly does Poles "believe in Fields without basically forcing that belief"? By doing nothing? That's doesn't make sense to me.

Look, Poles could get lucky and Fields could turn out to be a stud without the supporting cast, but it's still not a smart move imo. You also can't believe that players aren't always going to "rise above" regardless of their situation. As a GM or coach, you have to think that you play a part in developing a player, especially QB.

There's a reason why so many people point to HOU as an example of how a team can "ruin" a QB, a la Carr.

dabears70 · May 17, 2022

Bears' Jaquan Brisker dubbed perfect fit for Chicago's defense

Chicago Bears general manager Ryan Poles addressed two important needs in the 2022 NFL draft: secondary and offensive line, which were notable weaknesses on last year's roster. In fact, Poles used both second-round picks on defense with the selections of…

bearswire.usatoday.com

ThatGuyRyan · May 17, 2022

rawdawg said:
I've said this a bunch of times, but it's not all or nothing. Poles can believe Fields is the guy without basically forcing that belief. If Poles went out and traded for one of the WRs that was on the market (Hill, Cooper, AJ Brown) and signed Armstead, which admittedly I wanted them to do, then what happens if he's wrong and Fields is not the guy? So, you paid all this money for guys that are protecting or receiving from a bust. By the time you fix the QB position, Armstead would be old and probably a FA. Brown will be wasted with mediocre numbers from a bad QB. And valuable picks would have been traded away. Most importantly to Poles, he would likely be fired for spending a bunch of money and not being able to develop a QB with high level talent around him.

But if you wait to add big pieces until you confirm your beliefs about Fields, then you aren't wasting money, talent and picks because you already have the QB in place.

Except you're setting up the next guy for failure by not investing in a legit LT., whether that was in the draft or FA. I get the receiver, at least I can be sold on that but not protection.

It's a repeat of 2021 hoping that either Borom or Jenkins works out

Penny Traitor · May 17, 2022

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1526575155778142208

MOAR BEEFBLOCK!!!

MikeDitkaPolishSausage · May 17, 2022

Les Grossman said:
How exactly does Poles "believe in Fields without basically forcing that belief"? By doing nothing? That's doesn't make sense to me.

Look, Poles could get lucky and Fields could turn out to be a stud without the supporting cast, but it's still not a smart move imo. You also can't believe that players aren't always going to "rise above" regardless of their situation. As a GM or coach, you have to think that you play a part in developing a player, especially QB.

There's a reason why so many people point to HOU as an example of how a team can "ruin" a QB, a la Carr.

I don’t think Poles has sat there and done nothing. He drafted several O line and a Wr and brought in Wrs for competition. They are not the sexiest moves, but people are upset because it’s not the moves they wanted him to make.

He is building the entire team for the future, not just focusing on improving Fields, which in my opinion is smart. Let’s see what Poles does next offseason to help Fields when he’s actually has money to spend and better draft picks.

Using Carr is not the best example. Hou was a brand new franchise and new franchises hardly succeed or build solid teams right away.

ZOMBIE@CTESPN · May 17, 2022

ThatGuyRyan said:
Except you're setting up the next guy for failure by not investing in a legit LT., whether that was in the draft or FA. I get the receiver, at least I can be sold on that but not protection.

It's a repeat of 2021 hoping that either Borom or Jenkins works out

We haven’t had a legit oline since 2006. The results speak for itself

pseudonym · May 17, 2022

ThatGuyRyan said:
This is the difference between good/serviceable and a great TE. He was the most targeted player on the Bears in the rz and had the worst catch %.

Needs to stand in front of a Juggs machine for like 1000 passes. Put some stickum on those gloves.

remydat · May 17, 2022

Les Grossman said:
Not a fan of this narrative. Poles is a rookie GM. Not sure being one of ‘his guys’ is a good thing at this point.

This is all spin for Poles not helping out the QB position this off-season really. Like really? Not helping by far the most important position in the game? And the reasoning is basically that Fields doesn’t need help? Lol

A good D helps a young QB.

A good OC helps a young QB.

Young OL taking a step in their 2nd year helps a young QB.

We added several WRs anx OL. Remains to be seen how much they help.

People should stop exaggerating. No one knows at this point how much help Fields has received at this point. There are a lot of young guys on the OL and at Wr so ee have to see if the new regime will do a better job developing them.

Les Grossman · May 17, 2022

MikeDitkaPolishSausage said:
I don’t think Poles has sat there and done nothing. He drafted several O line and a Wr and brought in Wrs for competition. They are not the sexiest moves, but people are upset because it’s not the moves they wanted him to make.

He is building the entire team for the future, not just focusing on improving Fields, which in my opinion is smart. Let’s see what Poles does next offseason to help Fields when he’s actually has money to spend and better draft picks.

Using Carr is not the best example. Hou was a brand new franchise and new franchises hardly succeed or build solid teams right away.

When are people going to realize that late round picks are crap shoots? He drafted some OL late in the draft. Yay. More Larry Boroms and Jamarcus Webbs.

Poles didn’t make any impactful moves in FA to help his QB, and all he really did in the draft is bolster the defense.

Poles is playing a risky game. If you want a successful team, the future is the QB.

Les Grossman · May 17, 2022

remydat said:
A good D helps a young QB.

A good OC helps a young QB.

We added several WRs anx OL. Remains to be seen how much they help.

People should stop exaggerating. No one knows at this point how much help Fields has received at this point. There are a lot of young guys on the OL and at Wr so ee have to see if the new regime will do a better job developing them.

And we don’t even know if our OC is good. Nice homer assumption there.

He added WRs because he literally had to. He had only ONE WR on the roster. How the fudge do you credit him for that??? Homer alert.

Discus fish salesman · May 17, 2022

Les Grossman said:
When are people going to realize that late round picks are crap shoots? He drafted some OL late in the draft. Yay. More Larry Boroms and Jamarcus Webbs.

Poles didn’t make any impactful moves in FA to help his QB, and all he really did in the draft is bolster the defense.

Poles is playing a risky game. If you want a successful team, the future is the QB.

Borom is significantly better than Webb

remydat · May 17, 2022

ThatGuyRyan said:
Except you're setting up the next guy for failure by not investing in a legit LT., whether that was in the draft or FA. I get the receiver, at least I can be sold on that but not protection.

It's a repeat of 2021 hoping that either Borom or Jenkins works out

No it isnt a repeat because they are 2nd year players not rookies. You cant build thru the draft if you insist on signing bif name free agents instead of letting the guys you draft get experience.

At some point you have to evaluate your young guys and decide if they are ready or not. That is what Poles has done and time will tell if he is right about Borom and Jenkins.

remydat · May 17, 2022

Les Grossman said:
And we don’t even know if our OC is good. Nice homer assumption there.

He added WRs because he literally had to. He had only ONE WR on the roster. How the fudge do you credit him for that??? Homer alert.

It helps if you read. I made no assumption. I specifically said it remains to be seen how much they help and that no one knows how much help Fields has received.

So you are projecting as you are the one assuming they wont help. I am saying we dont know and whining about it over and over isnt going to prove your assumption is right. Only playing the games will.

MikeDitkaPolishSausage · May 17, 2022

Les Grossman said:
When are people going to realize that late round picks are crap shoots? He drafted some OL late in the draft. Yay. More Larry Boroms and Jamarcus Webbs.

Poles didn’t make any impactful moves in FA to help his QB, and all he really did in the draft is bolster the defense.

Poles is playing a risky game. If you want a successful team, the future is the QB.

Like I said they aren’t the sexiest picks but he also didn’t ignore the position.

If you want a successful team, you need to build a complete team and that’s going to take more than one offseason. When are people like you going to realize this?

Les Grossman · May 17, 2022

MikeDitkaPolishSausage said:
Like I said they aren’t the sexiest picks but he also didn’t ignore the position.

If you want a successful team, you need to build a complete team and that’s going to take more than one offseason. When are people like you going to realize this?

When are people going to realize that the only way to have sustained success in the NFL is to have a real QB.

MikeDitkaPolishSausage · May 17, 2022

Les Grossman said:
When are people going to realize that the only way to have sustained success in the NFL is to have a real QB.

Having a legit QB is very important, but when was the last time a legit QB won a SB without an overall complete team? Legit QBs will be legit no matter how many weapons or not they have. No matter how great or mediocre their o line is.

Don’t get me wrong, the Bears do need to give Fields more to work with and help protect him. The Bears don’t know if Fields is legit or not yet. So Poles didn’t overspend in FA and he drafted defensive players that can make an instant impact. Poles did a good job of setting up the overall team in the near future. He wants to build through the draft and he didn’t bluff at the ridiculous offensive FA market this year.

ThatGuyRyan · May 17, 2022

remydat said:
No it isnt a repeat because they are 2nd year players not rookies. You cant build thru the draft if you insist on signing bif name free agents instead of letting the guys you draft get experience.

At some point you have to evaluate your young guys and decide if they are ready or not. That is what Poles has done and time will tell if he is right about Borom and Jenkins.

I said draft or FA. I don't care. Jenkins was a RT in college, Borom was a RT. There isn't a 'legit' LT on this roster. So yes, it is a repeat of 2021.