****OFFICIAL TRADE DEADLINE THREAD****

JimJohnson

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I'd be pretty darned happy if I were an Astros fan.

But it still amounts to adding over $20 million per year in PR to a team that had the 5th highest payroll.

They would have had to pay Cole after the season so it's basically just a replacement.
 

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Tony Kemp just last year slashed .263/.357/.413 against right handers; that production would be perfectly fine as a leadoff guy against righties. He doesn't strike out much, has good flexibility in terms of at least 300 innings in LF and CF as well as his time at 2B, and provides speed off the bench.

I would bet that his BABIP progresses well above the current .233 and his AAA slash (.335/.407/.435) shows this isn't some issue where he has a hole in his swing and pitchers are just exploiting it a la Happ.

Considering the cost was a third catcher, that's a great deal for the Cubs.
 

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With over a .500 slug and over .800 OPS. That is the defintion of hitting righties

His BA and OBP against RHP are well below league averages. But, yes, when he gets that rare hit it goes far. I guess that's awesome.
 

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His BA and OBP against RHP are well below league averages. But, yes, when he gets that rare hit it goes far. I guess that's awesome.
Tremendous.


 

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I would say that a guy with a .230/.321/.505 slash line is essentially a league average OF. his OPS+ at 107 kind of belays that. Not sure what we're really arguing here - yes he doesn't get many hits or on base that well but he does have excellent power.
 

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I would say that a guy with a .230/.321/.505 slash line is essentially a league average OF. his OPS+ at 107 kind of belays that. Not sure what we're really arguing here - yes he doesn't get many hits or on base that well but he does have excellent power.
Its not arguing. He just doesnt know what he is talking about.
 

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I would say that a guy with a .230/.321/.505 slash line is essentially a league average OF. his OPS+ at 107 kind of belays that. Not sure what we're really arguing here - yes he doesn't get many hits or on base that well but he does have excellent power.

Yes, he's strong but bad at baseball. That's what we are arguing.
 

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Yes, he's strong but bad at baseball. That's what we are arguing.

By what measure is he bad, especially if we're talking about his play against righties. His wRC+ is 108 against righties so above league average and his defensive rating in LF is just below average. You could upgrade him, especially against lefties and later in games with Castellanos and that's what the Cubs did.
 

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By what measure is he bad, especially if we're talking about his play against righties. His wRC+ is 108 against righties so above league average and his defensive rating in LF is just below average. You could upgrade him, especially against lefties and later in games with Castellanos and that's what the Cubs did.

Well you mentioned his bad defense. Strong arm, but terrible in the field. His OBP is really bad, even against righties. Your wRC+ stat is interesting but that's barely above average. His WAR is 0.4 so far in 2019. Yippee?
 

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My guess on a lineup (sans Zobrist) is

vs LHP
Contreras - C
Castellanos - LF
Bryant - 3B
Rizzo - 1B
Baez - SS
Almora - CF
Heyward - RF
p
Garcia/Bote - 2B

Vs RHP
Garcia/Kemp - 2B
Heyward - CF
Bryant - 3B
Rizzo - 1B
Baez - SS
Contreras/Caratini - C
Schwarber - LF
P
Castellanos - RF

The obvious move when Zobrist comes back is he becomes your leadoff/2B vs both and then against lefties, he bats leadoff, Contreras moves to 6 and Almora 9

Had to bet Garcia is getting demoted. 43% strike out hell. Add to it Bote is in vs a RH pitcher today. Writing is on the wall.

I would rather promote Russell and take the D at 2B at this point. Wait for Zo to come back.
 

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Newbie. Please be gentle.

Unless their play changes drastically, there's no way this team goes far in the playoffs--if they even make it. It's time to reconstruct. The only untouchables are Baez, Bryant, Contreras, and Rizzo. Everybody else can go. Hope Schwarber will still be worth something to an American League team.

Oh, and so, so glad to see Edwards gone. What a great arm and a waste of talent. I think they tried every way they could to turn him around. He'll probably turn into an ace set-up or closer now, but I still won't miss him.
 

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His BA and OBP against RHP are well below league averages. But, yes, when he gets that rare hit it goes far. I guess that's awesome.
Batting average. Nice.

Maybe we can get the next Steve Ontiveros.
 

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Newbie. Please be gentle.

Unless their play changes drastically, there's no way this team goes far in the playoffs--if they even make it. It's time to reconstruct. The only untouchables are Baez, Bryant, Contreras, and Rizzo. Everybody else can go. Hope Schwarber will still be worth something to an American League team.

Oh, and so, so glad to see Edwards gone. What a great arm and a waste of talent. I think they tried every way they could to turn him around. He'll probably turn into an ace set-up or closer now, but I still won't miss him.
With all due respect, hours after the trade deadline is precisely NOT the time to reconstruct.
 

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