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True but it also makes you look like a fucking imbecile. Teams now see you as immature and possibly don't want the headache.

Watson had a few suitors despite 24 sexual assault allegations. Granted he is a QB but teams will do whatever it takes to get guys they consider great players. Question is if any team considers Quan great or the missing piece to their puzzle.
 

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Asking for a trade is one thing. Going directly to the media to ask is another. And then completely trashing the organization as a whole while doing it…
Read the article and then use your head.

An agent often leaks what he wants to help his case. Roquan as a player/agent knew that there would be a big audience on Fan Appreciation Day (or whatever it was) so he decided to be his own leak.

As for trashing the organization, is it really trashing the organization when saying what they did? Or a different question, what is worse, Roquan "trashing" the organization for saying what the organization did or the organization doing what it did?

And you were definitely one of those who completely shat on Roquan.
 

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Whelp he also seems to play worse whenever they move him from LG

Either way, Whitehair is a guy that can be solid at LG if they just leave him tf alone
He was actually better at C. Why he made a PB and got that contract. Really great hands, picking up combos and free radicals. Having a bigger ass at LG wouldn't hurt either but he's solid there. He just can't be a C if he can't shotgun reliably.
 

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Isn't Patrick due back from his thumb injury by opening game?
Yes, but the Bears need to think about what would happen if he had to miss time during the season: go with center bad play from Musty or Kramer who cannot be backups as guards, move Whitehair to center with his snapping issues (though he should have gone to a snapping specialist during many offseasons after he failed the center stint) or get a guard/center from someone on the team (who?) or off the street.
 

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You know what does burn bridges? Having some random guy, illegally, calling around to teams to gauge trade interest. Roquan is dumb
No, it does not burn bridges. It is stupid, but it did not hurt the Bears in any single way. Name a way that it hurt the Bears organization?

It might even hurt another team with the loss of a draft pick if they were stupid enough to talk to that "agent" which is actually good for the Bears because there would be one less player taken when they are on the clock after the draft pick is lost by the other team.
 
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How I felt when he did it but really, without an agent to get permission to pursue? It's got no teeth.
Of course it doesn't and I believe that Roquan didn't want to be traded at the time (that might change as time goes by). He just wanted to put pressure on the Bears to make them the bad guys for disrespecting and low-balling the player. That was his agent tool and he used it.

Even the article from ESPN had agents saying that Roquan did the right thing and if Roquan had been his client, he would have done the same thing as his agent.
 

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Yes, but the Bears need to think about what would happen if he had to miss time during the season: go with center bad play from Musty or Kramer who cannot be backups as guards, move Whitehair to center with his snapping issues (though he should have gone to a snapping specialist during many offseasons after he failed the center stint) or get a guard/center from someone on the team (who?) or off the street.
Many cuts are coming so maybe they can swoop someone up if Kramer or Mustipher don't progress in these next couple of games. I know some have said just use Whitehair as the backup center but really would rather leave him be at LG and go with someone else.
 

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Takes me back to my Optometry school dean, he told us that the word professional is over used and that a professional is a person whose work can only truly be judged by a peer.

Kinda true here as RGIII is speaking to the details that none of us know about Fields purpose or progression, while Orlosky is the professional that doesn't know where the end zone stops.
 

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Ooof. You don't see that often out of former players.

EDIT: That said, it's easy to see why the media wants to see him do well. The off-field stuff notwithstanding, being a winner for the New York Jets is a media fuck fest.

Think a major part of it is that he also is a blonde blue eyed good looking kid playing for that market....they eat it up.

That being said, I was very high on zach wilson coming out but I had the same concerns Brady Quinn had. He's done nothing to show me he can be a good NFL QB so far. Minimal tape against bad competition, but he made a ton of amazing throws in college.
 

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Takes me back to my Optometry school dean, he told us that the word professional is over used and that a professional is a person whose work can only truly be judged by a peer.

Kinda true here as RGIII is speaking to the details that none of us know about Fields purpose or progression, while Orlosky is the professional that doesn't know where the end zone stops.

But some guy named dbldrew on here told me that fields is reading the field wrong.

Who's right in this instance, RG3 or some guy named @dbldrew
 

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Think a major part of it is that he also is a blonde blue eyed good looking kid playing for that market....they eat it up.

That being said, I was very high on zach wilson coming out but I had the same concerns Brady Quinn had. He's done nothing to show me he can be a good NFL QB so far. Minimal tape against bad competition, but he made a ton of amazing throws in college.
Probably. Add in all of the other stuff, and yeah, quite the guy the media would love.
 

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