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remydat said:
Even if Ebner is not ready completely then you can just draft a RB in later rounds. Herbert was undrafted and Ebner was a 6th rounder. Unless a RB is truly elite or the missing piece to a title contender just doesn't make sense especially in the Shanny outside zone system that has historically found RBs late in the draft or undrafted quite a bit.
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Herbert was a 6th round pick.
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He was not pressured constantly. Let's break it down. Bear in mind a pressure is defined as a QB throwing the ball before he wants to.

1st Pass - Designed screen where Kmet chips and then settles for the screen. You have to let the defenders get drawn in so that does not count as a pressure. That is the play design.

2nd Pass - Blitz late and Herbert misses the block so the pressure was on him not the OL.

1st Scramble - The rush is pushed past him and he has a pocket to step up into but instead of keeping eyes downfield he tries to run for it. This would not be considered a pressure.

3rd Pass - Jenkins is late on picking up the guy Borom lets go of due to a late blitz. However, Fields easily evades him and so this would not be a pressure because Fields is able to get rid of the ball when he wants to.

4th Pass - This is the rollout where he hits Kmet and there is no pressure.

5th Pass - Screen to Mooney

6th Pass - Pass to Mooney in back of end zone. There is no pressure on this play except at the very end but he had plenty of time to throw so would not be considered a pressure.

7th Pass - He actually gets fooled by a fake blitz and throws it early when there was really no pressure to speak of.
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Sounds like excuse making, but let's hope they can stand up to the 49er D line.
 
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man i was wrong i thought herbert played better than montgomery...or at least as good but in a different way but was going to be the heir apparent and he really seems to lack burst suddenly, not sure if it's the line or what's going on but the seahawks bottom of the roster guys all looked more explosive
 
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napo55 said:
Herbert was a 6th round pick.

Sounds like excuse making, but let's hope they can stand up to the 49er D line.
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Yeah my bad on Herbert but doesn't change the point. You can find RBs late.

Not sure why I or PFF would need to make excuses for the Bears OL. It is what it is. Just sounds like you don't know what a pressure or more precisely a hurry means in the context of the NFL stat.
 
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remydat said:
Yeah my bad on Herbert but doesn't change the point. You can find RBs late.

Not sure why I or PFF would need to make excuses for the Bears OL. It is what it is. Just sounds like you don't know what a pressure or more precisely a hurry means in the context of the NFL stat.
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Could be. Let's see if the return of Montgomery will fix things.
 

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man i was wrong i thought herbert played better than montgomery...or at least as good but in a different way but was going to be the heir apparent and he really seems to lack burst suddenly, not sure if it's the line or what's going on but the seahawks bottom of the roster guys all looked more explosive
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He gathers speed but he's been cutting back against the grain which is not his best attribute. He's the sort of back you start with a deep pitch to one side to get started toward the edge.
 

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Borom feels like a Jordan Mills to me. A guy that comes in and looks like a good find if he improves but just has such a low ceiling that he is the same guy 2-3 yrs later.
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It's still early for him. Hard to say how he ends up but for now, average would do. That said, I suspect you're right and Reiff starts.
 
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