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I think Tango uses large datasets to adjust each weight. It's not an official statistic but it is a useful metric to measure a player's offensive production.
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Not the point.
It's subjective based on the run values per event and park/league adjustments but it still includes what actually happens on the field.
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Not the point.

I'd like to see one example of wOBA being inaccurate.....
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The issue (here) isn't the accuracy or inaccuracy of the metric(different subject for a different thread), the issue here is wanting to use ONE stat or metric alone to judge a player off of. Using one stat or metric alone to judge a player is such a miopic and idiotic mindset that I would question the sanity of the person doing so...and that would include Bill James.

Sabre-heads love numbers. They love all the metrics, etc etc etc so it seems completely ridiculous that one would turn around and say we have ALL these great numbers but you only need a few to evaluate a player. It basically shoots the entire movement in the head and they are doing the same thing they set out to change with batting average, etc. It's hypocritical and stupid.


Your assertion that if you HAD to use one stat that it would be wOBA is compeltely meaningless and moot since you don't HAVE to.

The argument isn't whether or not wOBA is accurate. The point I'm making is just because it includes a lot of things, it doesn't mean it's the only metric that should be used in judging a player.

No metric or stat alone should be used to determine to judge a players greatness and worth.
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Ok?

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The issue (here) isn't the accuracy or inaccuracy of the metric(different subject for a different thread), the issue here is wanting to use ONE stat or metric alone to judge a player off of. Using one stat or metric alone to judge a player is such a miopic and idiotic mindset that I would question the sanity of the person doing so...and that would include Bill James.

Sabre-heads love numbers. They love all the metrics, etc etc etc so it seems completely ridiculous that one would turn around and say we have ALL these great numbers but you only need a few to evaluate a player. It basically shoots the entire movement in the head and they are doing the same thing they set out to change with batting average, etc. It's hypocritical and stupid.


Your assertion that if you HAD to use one stat that it would be wOBA is compeltely meaningless and moot since you don't HAVE to.
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Ok? Ya, true, I dont have to and never do.

I enjoy learning about metrics and I think they yield interesting information. A lot of it to me is more useful than traditional statistics but I also think the BA/OBP/SLG is pretty much as good as anything.
 

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I think there's a disconnect. There are obviously some statistics/metrics that are better than others. On offense you have to look at a player's plate discipline (swing% comes to mind), his contact rate, his ability to take a walk and get on base, how often he drives the ball (line drive percentage, fly ball rate), his power (SLG or ISO) and other things that I probably am not thinking about right now. It's very difficult to do that all in one statistic. The argument for wOBA shouldn't be that it's the end-all/be-all stat/metric, but that it does the best in measuring the player's total ability to get on base. I don't think any baseball front office is going to evaluate a player solely off wOBA but I imagine they have proprietary metrics similar to it that they weight the most significantly, much more so than batting average.
 

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I think there's a disconnect. There are obviously some statistics/metrics that are better than others. On offense you have to look at a player's plate discipline (swing% comes to mind), his contact rate, his ability to take a walk and get on base, how often he drives the ball (line drive percentage, fly ball rate), his power (SLG or ISO) and other things that I probably am not thinking about right now. It's very difficult to do that all in one statistic. The argument for wOBA shouldn't be that it's the end-all/be-all stat/metric, but that it does the best in measuring the player's total ability to get on base. I don't think any baseball front office is going to evaluate a player solely off wOBA but I imagine they have proprietary metrics similar to it that they weight the most significantly, much more so than batting average.
The idea that one metric should be used in evaluating a player is silly, no matter how good said metric is, and that is what my argument is over. I looked over wOBA and it looks like a great metric to judge a player, but I wouldn't expect one to use that alone in saying someone is bad or good.
 

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The idea that one metric should be used in evaluating a player is silly, no matter how good said metric is, and that is what my argument is over. I looked over wOBA and it looks like a great metric to judge a player, but I wouldn't expect one to use that alone in saying someone is bad or good.

And I wasn't saying I only use wOBA. I was saying basically if I had to chose one for the rest of my life it would be wOBA.

Like Rice Cube, I look at swing % and batted ball numbers as well as traditional stats and metrics.
 

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Cubs in on Kuroda, among others. He could return to Japan too. I think a report came out a few weeks ago that if Kuroda can't stay in the West, he'll return to Japan.
 

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Marlins are now going after Prince Fielder according to Heyman.
 

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Marlins are now going after Prince Fielder according to Heyman.

Sounds like Pujols is staying with the Cards unless the Cubs can poach him.

At least one of them is out of division after this offseason.
 

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Im still holding out hope that Epstein can poach Fielder, but im not feeling too confident
 

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Rosenthal: Source: #Rockies and #Cubs discussing Ian Stewart for Tyler Colvin. #MLB
 

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@incarceratedbob has CJ wilson going to the Angels. We'll see how credible he is ey?
 

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Source: #Rockies and #Cubs discussing Ian Stewart for Tyler Colvin. #MLB

cant believe Colvin has value lol
 

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Not sure how much Stewart has either.

This would be the classic slump for slump deal.

he had a terrible year last year was hurt but the previous year he has hit and hit well. I mean if you can turn Colvin who has done nothing at the MLB for a guy who has 20 hrs multiple times thats great value Colvin is terrible.
 

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