Offseason rumors/discussion thread

[CSF77]

Think I put CWS 40% on Manny now. LAD 40% on Harper

 

[chibears55]

Sox and Phillies not willing to go more then 7 yrs on Machado or Harper..

Cubs gonna get both on 10 yr deals..lol

 

[CSF77]

Sox and Phillies not willing to go more then 7 yrs on Machado or Harper..

Cubs gonna get both on 10 yr deals..lol

I would say if they moved Heyward 100% that they can sign Harper. Manny they are not involved.

 

[CSF77]

Seems ESPN and Levine are spouting conflicting info.

ESPN saying 10 years to both Manny and Brice. Levine saying lies and a best offer of 7 years.

Now the Pads gave Hosmer 8 years at age 28. So 7 years is a face slap to both.

 

[CSF77]

Like I said: today is looking interesting.

 

[JimJohnson]

Today is becoming interesting.

Yanks sign Troy to fill SS. Feels Manny snub.

Phils have a meeting with Harper after both Harp and Manny flicked the dislike on them.

Harper must at least have some interest in Philly as he keeps meeting with them. If he wasn't interested, they wouldn't be talking.

 

[CSF77]

Harper must at least have some interest in Philly as he keeps meeting with them. If he wasn't interested, they wouldn't be talking.

Leverage

 

[CSF77]

But Levine said a 'few' teams have 10 year offers. Sox is not one. But all have 'high' AAV. It is pretty vague but any legit info is considered tampering if it goes public.

 

[fatbeard]

But Levine said a 'few' teams have 10 year offers. Sox is not one. But all have 'high' AAV. It is pretty vague but any legit info is considered tampering if it goes public.

That doesn't make sense.

 

[CSF77]

That doesn't make sense.

That tampering exists?


TAMPERING. To preserve discipline and competition, and to prevent the enticement of players, coaches, managers and umpires, there shall be no negotiations or dealings respecting employment, either present or prospective, between any player, coach or manager and any Major or Minor League Club other than the Club with which the player is under contract, or acceptance of terms, or by which the player is reserved or which has the player on its Negotiation List, or between any umpire and any baseball employer other than the baseball employer with which the umpire is under contract, or acceptance of terms, unless the Club or baseball employer with which the person is connected shall have, in writing, expressly authorized such negotiations or dealings prior to their commencement.

in MLB rulesbook

 

[CSF77]

Anyways there is a reason why there is never anything coming from teams other than 'reliable' sources. ie outsiders or snitches. worst thing that can happen in a negotiation process is a team saying we have 10 years at x AAV and it forces other teams. or causes fringe teams to pull out weakening a agents pull.

All we see is official signings and deal closed info or pending signing as they closed a deal. Most reliable info is not coming from a team or a agent.

I could see it as a player will field all offers with out discussing. Then see all offers and then go to the preferred team and say I have a offer at x aav x years will you match? Will not give out the team info. Then the team can counter offer.

I really doubt that Harper would goto the Cubs and say well Philly offered 340M LAD 320M so will you go 360? Most likely he would say best offer what can you do?

 

[Castor76]

Precisely, it's the other side of collusion. It's just as against the rules for teams to agree not give above certain years and dollar amounts. I'm sure everyone skates on the edge and even breaks the rules, but no one snitches because everybody benefits. Of course everyone knows everyone else's general financial situations with where teams are at at any time and how much they generally spend.

 

[fatbeard]

That tampering exists?


TAMPERING. To preserve discipline and competition, and to prevent the enticement of players, coaches, managers and umpires, there shall be no negotiations or dealings respecting employment, either present or prospective, between any player, coach or manager and any Major or Minor League Club other than the Club with which the player is under contract, or acceptance of terms, or by which the player is reserved or which has the player on its Negotiation List, or between any umpire and any baseball employer other than the baseball employer with which the umpire is under contract, or acceptance of terms, unless the Club or baseball employer with which the person is connected shall have, in writing, expressly authorized such negotiations or dealings prior to their commencement.

in MLB rulesbook

By definition, you can't be tampered with if you're not under contract. Harper and Machado can't be tampered with. If you're referring to other players who might be part of related a salary offload as part of a Harper/Machado deal, then the clubs who own those contracts would obviously be shopping them with potential buyers. By definition, not tampering. And if you're referring to people leaking details of negotiations with FAs in order to mess with the bids of other teams, that's still not tampering, either.

 

[fatbeard]

An example of tampering would be if I, as the Cubs, started secretly negotiating with Harper during the regular season while he was still under contract with the Nationals: I'm "tampering" with another team's exclusive contract. But once free agency hits, all bets are off--in that case there's literally no longer a contract for me to "tamper" with.

 

[CSF77]

An example of tampering would be if I, as the Cubs, started secretly negotiating with Harper during the regular season while he was still under contract with the Nationals: I'm "tampering" with another team's exclusive contract. But once free agency hits, all bets are off--in that case there's literally no longer a contract for me to "tamper" with.

That I agree with. But there is reason why agents or team go public with offers. It is more 3rd party or hearsay’s

It doesn’t help the process.

But I agree tampering is the wrong verbiage. More so sloppy

 

[fatbeard]

That I agree with. But there is reason why agents or team go public with offers.

This has been Boras' MO for years. Release "details" of negotiations through the media (usually Jon Heyman) and watch the owners bid against themselves against the advice of their GMs.

 

[anotheridiot]

Did you see how mooney wrote his twit about the staff moves?

The Cubs have hired Mark Loretta to be Joe Maddons bench coach.

Also added Bob Tewksbury to mental skills coordinator.

 

[chibears55]

Did you see how mooney wrote his twit about the staff moves?

The Cubs have hired Mark Loretta to be Joe Maddons bench coach.

Also added Bob Tewksbury to mental skills coordinator.

Tewksbury hired to handle Darvish..lol

 

[chibears55]

https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/1080889207743102976?s=19


Rather have Machado go to the whitesox then to a good NL team and make them better like the Phillies

Wonder how long it'll take Manny to start dogging it when the sox start losing more then they win

 

[fatbeard]

The lack of movement on Harper, or even updates on active negotiations at this point, is so surprising to me. Beginning to feel like this is a sham bidding process and he's really just waiting for his preferred suitor to clear space. If he was going to sign in Philly or LA, what's the holdup? There doesn't appear to be a bidding war going on.