Offseason rumors/discussion thread

[anotheridiot]

No the league "year" isn't a full 365. Each Major League regular season will consist of 187 days. I believe it's whatever day the season starts on and goes through Oct w/e it finishes on. Basically, from my understanding as long as he is rostered(even suspended) he will incur those days and get a bonus at every set threshold.

I was just thinking if MLB increases the suspension to 80 he would lose the money since he has 28 games left. Any additional would cost him money. He is still losing pay for the days he is suspended though right?

 

[Castor76]

I believe it does include the time he's suspended as I believe he still incurs service time but don't quote me on that. But I mean to get that full $600k that's basically the entire season.

The important word there is active. I would think his suspension doesn't count as active time simply because otherwise roughly the first 30 days would be during his suspension. But I'm just guessing.

 

[anotheridiot]

Javy gets 5.2 million
Bryant 12.9

 

[Castor76]

Javy gets 5.2 million
Bryant 12.9

Seems like the only person to get above expected was Schwarber. Montgomery did also I see. Seems like they'll spend about 4 M less on arbitration than expected.

 

[beckdawg]

I was just thinking if MLB increases the suspension to 80 he would lose the money since he has 28 games left. Any additional would cost him money. He is still losing pay for the days he is suspended though right?

Yeah like... he's not getting all of that $3.4 mil his arb figure is. They just have to settle on a number that it would be were he to play a full season and then MLB hits him for like $540k of that number because of suspension pay.

 

[beckdawg]

Seems like the only person to get above expected was Schwarber. Montgomery did also I see. Seems like they'll spend about 4 M less on arbitration than expected.

Most were in margin of error on the estimations. Baez was the big savings as mlb trader rumors thought he'd get 7.1 mil and he got $5.2.

 

[CSF77]

Most were in margin of error on the estimations. Baez was the big savings as mlb trader rumors thought he'd get 7.1 mil and he got $5.2.

What is the estimated now and who is left?

 

[Castor76]

What is the estimated now and who is left?

Edwards is the only one I didn't see looking back a few pages. Cot's is guessing 2.25M. The Baez number is really helping.

 

[beckdawg]

What is the estimated now and who is left?

They all signed.
Bryant 12.9
Hendricks 7.405
Baez 5.2
Schwarber 3.39
Russell 3.4(plus bonus)
Monty 2.25
Edwards 1.5

As for what's estimated... if you mean luxury tax they are at like $223.3 mil or $207.7 in real dollars.

 

[CSF77]

Edwards is the only one I didn't see looking back a few pages. Cot's is guessing 2.25M. The Baez number is really helping.

Javier Baez ($5.2 million)(est 6.5 1.3 under)
Kris Bryant ($12.9 million)(est 14 1.1 under)
Kyle Hendricks $7.405 (est 8 .595 under)
Mike Montgomery ($2.44 million)(est 2 .44 over)
Carl Edwards Jr. ($1.5 million)(est 2.25 .75 under)
Kyle Schwarber $3.39 (est 2.75 .64 over)
Russell $3.4 million (est 5.25 1.85 under)
4.515 under total
Est 226,887,143 real time: 222,372,143 23,627,857 under 246M threshold.

 

[Castor76]

How much, if any, does the Martin trade remove the Dodgers from Harper?

 

[CSF77]

So they could make Harper work IMO. 23.5 M is a decent starting check.

 

[CSF77]

Wouldn't shock me that they all took a pay cut just to get him on the team.

 

[beckdawg]

How much, if any, does the Martin trade remove the Dodgers from Harper?

I don't think it has any impact whatsoever given they are getting money back to make the move luxury tax neutral but I also don't think it matters because I don't think they want him that much. If they did he'd already be signed.

 

[beckdawg]

Wouldn't shock me that they all took a pay cut just to get him on the team.

Can't do that. MLBPA wont let you. See Arod.

 

[CSF77]

Can't do that. MLBPA wont let you. See Arod.

Yeh....what they don't know...

 

[CSF77]

I don't think it has any impact whatsoever given they are getting money back to make the move luxury tax neutral but I also don't think it matters because I don't think they want him that much. If they did he'd already be signed.

I tend to agree with this. Nats are the big player right now.

 

[Castor76]

So they could make Harper work IMO. 23.5 M is a decent starting check.

But wouldn't it be his AAV that affected the CBT and not his actual salary? Or are you thinking the team might have the upper limit simply as a season payroll limit and not be that worried about a one year, possible, tax?

 

[Castor76]

Can't do that. MLBPA wont let you. See Arod.

The MLBPA can ***** about it, but they can't actually stop any player from signing for less if they want. Same as an agent can't stop the player.

 

[CSF77]

But wouldn't it be his AAV that affected the CBT and not his actual salary? Or are you thinking the team might have the upper limit simply as a season payroll limit and not be that worried about a one year, possible, tax?

They could still defer a chunk of it after the contract ends. Scherzer has 105M deferred to 7 payments of 15M.

So if they went this direction:

Max 1st year was 10M with 5M of a 50M bonus.

So basically his AAV is 25M (175M of the deal) But in reality they worked it that the base deal was 160M 50M in a bonus. Thus the 7/210. Then the 105M differed is not even factoring.

Now I believe that they need to sit around 25M AAV with him like Max is. But the key is differing a big chunk of it.