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That would make free agent year 2021 be Harper, Bryant, Rizzo, Baez and Schwarber and correct me if I am wrong, Hendricks. You are looking at a billion dollar summer.

Not a chance. Even if Bryant and Harper each got 250 million each, Naez is going to be in the at most 120 range, schwarber probably in the $14 million per and hendricks probably under $100
 

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Not a chance. Even if Bryant and Harper each got 250 million each, Naez is going to be in the at most 120 range, schwarber probably in the $14 million per and hendricks probably under $100

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= 832 is pretty close though!
 

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Hmm... I had read some fairly decent speculation that we would see Nico Hoerner at the big league spring training camp this year. Not on the list. I get that he's had something like 20 minor league games and an AFL run, but still, we've seen guys in the past who got a ST invite faster, with similar or lesser apparent talent.
 

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Hmm... I had read some fairly decent speculation that we would see Nico Hoerner at the big league spring training camp this year. Not on the list. I get that he's had something like 20 minor league games and an AFL run, but still, we've seen guys in the past who got a ST invite faster, with similar or lesser apparent talent.

No real reason to rush things. I'd be rather surprised if he were in the majors this year. I mean sure AFL is similar competition to AA and he did well in AFL but it would still be a rather crazy run to see him make. Schwarber's the only cub in recent memory to make the majors that fast. Bryant was like a year and a half if memory serves. Plus, the knock on Nico is his power. Supposedly they were going to work to adjust his swing a bit to get more elevation. I'd rather see them smooth that out in the minors before they push him too hard too fast.
 

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Of all the places he could go I'd prefer it to be there. I still don't think they have enough even with machado or harper to really challenge the rest of the NL heavyweights.
 

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Of all the places he could go I'd prefer it to be there. I still don't think they have enough even with machado or harper to really challenge the rest of the NL heavyweights.

They are still a year or 2 away from being in that elite of the NL. But they are on the way..
 

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They are still a year or 2 away from being in that elite of the NL. But they are on the way..

If they are making that trade I'm not sure they have any interesting pieces left "on the way" as it were.
 

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No real reason to rush things. I'd be rather surprised if he were in the majors this year. I mean sure AFL is similar competition to AA and he did well in AFL but it would still be a rather crazy run to see him make. Schwarber's the only cub in recent memory to make the majors that fast. Bryant was like a year and a half if memory serves. Plus, the knock on Nico is his power. Supposedly they were going to work to adjust his swing a bit to get more elevation. I'd rather see them smooth that out in the minors before they push him too hard too fast.

I'm expecting AA to AAA this year and maybe a cup in Sept as the best case. Worst case A+-AA and AA-AAA the following.

I think it will be closer to the first. This is the thing, they tend to promote hitters that produce. It is a simple thing really. If they are breezing a level then they are not developing. It is in the struggle that development happens.

It is really simple as that. Thus far he has owned the competition and he will be advanced until the pitching starts to give him fits.
 

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I'm expecting AA to AAA this year and maybe a cup in Sept as the best case. Worst case A+-AA and AA-AAA the following.

I think it will be closer to the first. This is the thing, they tend to promote hitters that produce. It is a simple thing really. If they are breezing a level then they are not developing. It is in the struggle that development happens.

It is really simple as that. Thus far he has owned the competition and he will be advanced until the pitching starts to give him fits.

Thing is unless you're actually going to play him regularly there's no reason to start his service clock in september. And I mean it was one thing when Schwarber was laying waste to the minors but it's kind of another for a guy like Nico who's probably going to hit for average but not be a huge offensive force like prospect Schwarber was. If there are injuries I could potentially see them pushing him faster but if most of the team is healthy it doesn't seem likely to me that there will be enough PAs for him to be elevated.
 

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Thing is unless you're actually going to play him regularly there's no reason to start his service clock in september. And I mean it was one thing when Schwarber was laying waste to the minors but it's kind of another for a guy like Nico who's probably going to hit for average but not be a huge offensive force like prospect Schwarber was. If there are injuries I could potentially see them pushing him faster but if most of the team is healthy it doesn't seem likely to me that there will be enough PAs for him to be elevated.

I agree with you except for injury. That started Happ.

It comes down to that. Say Baez goes down and Nico is raking AAA. they are in first and need a fix. Yes they will. If they are below .500 no they won't.
 

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Service trimmers are more related to a pending winning window. In a window it matters little
 

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Service trimmers are more related to a pending winning window. In a window it matters little

It always matters. It's just a matter of how much you're willing to suffer the consequences to win now. As I said, if you're not starting him there's really not much point in starting his service clock. If injuries or bad play happens then maybe you consider it but outside of that there's not much reason to push him. Hell, if he finishes the season in AAA he'll be one of the few prospects from the 2018 draft to have a shot at making the 2020 team among all teams.
 

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I found this interesting. We talk a lot about pitching velocity but not as much about spin rate. The difference between 88 and 96 isn't really evident until you start moving up the spin rate axis.
 

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It always matters. It's just a matter of how much you're willing to suffer the consequences to win now. As I said, if you're not starting him there's really not much point in starting his service clock. If injuries or bad play happens then maybe you consider it but outside of that there's not much reason to push him. Hell, if he finishes the season in AAA he'll be one of the few prospects from the 2018 draft to have a shot at making the 2020 team among all teams.

I see it as if he puts himself into that situation and there is a need then it will happen.

Here is a plausable scenerio:

They start him in AA. They have Ademan there already. DJ is in CF at AA. So to get into AA alone he has to be more advanced then both of them. Say he goes out in S/T and wrecks the pitching again. He hits over .300 while Ademan and DJ both hit around .260. he would go ahead of both in the depth charts.

So with him at AA then he is close enough to fit the current dynamic that the Cubs need. Which is a lead off. .327/.450 fills the bill. So they lead him off at SS and Ademan at 2B and DJ at CF. They play with the idea of Nico in CF some and they have Ademan move back to SS on those games.

So he wrecks AA. They already have DJ and Ademan to cover SS and CF so they again challenge Nico. Rule of thumb in place: Not struggling not developing. AAA for the most part is filler types so there really is no road block happening. He finally sees a challenge and takes a .030 hit to his BA. walks stay the same and his SO's up tick by 5%. The pitching is alittle above the college pitching that he had seen and what he saw in the pro's was less refunded with their command of the Zone. After a month he adapts and tightens up his swing offerings.

At that point the season is closing. No injuries so they let him play out the season and take it into the offseason knowing that he will not be on the 40 in spring.

That is a very likely scenerio. Another one is he gets wrecked at spring and sits in MB because that is where most of his level of talent is. Pretty common starting zone for college players. I see this as the bottom.

Top is he gets to the majors just because he never saw a challenge and they decide there is a legit need for a lead off and he gave them no reason to think twice.

Honestly he is a mix between Happ and Almora.as a hitter. Solid contact and a eye for balls and strikes.

He checks the boxes honestly and opertunity opens to potential.
 

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That would make free agent year 2021 be Harper, Bryant, Rizzo, Baez and Schwarber and correct me if I am wrong, Hendricks. You are looking at a billion dollar summer.
Schwarber will probably be traded by then..

Hendricks will be 32, theyll let him go if he looking for a big payday

Rizzo will be 32, if anything theyll offer a 2-4 yr deal at 20-25 per, depending on if he putting up solid numbers still

Baez has to show that 2018 wasn't just a crazy year for him
 

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Baez will most likely be signed to a LT deal before he ever hits FA.
 

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